Are they now searching book bags as the J.W.s enter the district convention arenas?

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    koolaid-man posted Sat, 03 Jul 2010 16:02:00 GMT(7/3/2010)

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    It's been reported that at the district convention of Jehovah's Witnesses in Richmond Virginia book bags are being searched! If this is true, what would the Watchtower org. be looking for? Guns, explosives, apostate literature, recorders, who knows, but if this is taking place, the Watchtower org. is paranoid. David W. will be one of our guests on the six screens of the watchtower conference call today Saturday July 3,2010 at 7p.m.EST.David will be explaining to us what he thinks they were looking for. Also on the call will be "super apostate" Phineas Treptow of the vast apostate army and tell us about a documentary he is filming with help from V. The documentary interviews 100 former J.W.s and maybe you can participate. It's easy to get on the call, just dial 712-432-8710 and when asked for pin use 9925. The lines open at 6:30p.m.EST. So come in early and talk with all of those who have been touched by the tentacles of the Watchtower".

    F blondie posted Sat, 03 Jul 2010 16:38:00 GMT(7/3/2010)

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    Was it only in Richmond and if not verifiable?

    In past years there have been bomb threats at assemblies which required some security measures.

    I would think that non-jws visiting, family members, studies, and lookie-loos, might find this bizarre. My experience is that only building security had the legal rights to check people's belongings and that was structured. Legally, no jws, even self-styled security could arrest or detain anyone but had to go through the legally established secular security.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/30826/1/Bomb-Threat-at-District-Convention-in-Calgary

    serenitynow! posted Sat, 03 Jul 2010 16:47:00 GMT(7/3/2010)

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    I remember that we were searched at the DC just after 9/11.

    Watchtowers Witnesses posted Sat, 03 Jul 2010 20:26:00 GMT(7/3/2010)

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    Those Evil Apostates have ruined it for everyone else.

    I think there is a lot of paranoia involved. What's next, patdowns at the door?

    "Okay Sister, put your hands against the wall while I frisk you."

    M Quentin posted Sat, 03 Jul 2010 20:57:00 GMT(7/3/2010)

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    I'm with Blonde on this, don't think security has the right to serch anything, and if it were a bomb threat, or some such thing, local law enforcment would have to be called in.

    Nathan Natas posted Sat, 03 Jul 2010 21:07:00 GMT(7/3/2010)

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    Oh, I do hope they're doing cavity searches too!

    F blondie posted Sat, 03 Jul 2010 21:19:00 GMT(7/3/2010)

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    I remember that we were searched at the DC just after 9/11.

    But searched by whom, secular security and law enforcement. jws would have no authority to do so legally.

    serenitynow! posted Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:11:00 GMT(7/3/2010)

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    I think it was just the attendants doing it. Basically they just took a look in bookbags. Being a "good JW" at the time and still really freaked out about 9/11, I did not give it much thought.

    F blondie posted Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:33:00 GMT(7/3/2010)

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    Well, it was 9/11. But I would never let them frisk me or look in my purse. I was in law enforcement and now work in law. I would never let an attendant touch me or my stuff. I would request law enforcement.

    WTWizard posted Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:48:00 GMT(7/4/2010)

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    I wouldn't be surprised if this starts becoming more widespread in the future. When I was in, they never searched me (but then, they never had all those stupid signs or the one towel rule, either). But, with more rules being made up about what you can and cannot bring in, it could well start happening (even for non-security reasons).

    With all the things they could potentially ban, they could search everything. There are lots of ways to disrupt a Grand Boasting Session. Giving toys to the children (including your own) is one: also, giving candy or drinks to children. Apostates with a pea shooter to shoot peas at the drama while it is in session. Apostate reading material, or those new e-books. MP3 players, which may be set up to look like radio receivers and used to listen to real music. Nintendo DS systems, which could be used to play Pokemon during a session. The list goes on.

    Not that security isn't also a major problem. With the increased push to recruit mental patients and prison inmates, there is a very real possibility that they could be smuggling drugs or weapons into the place. And, there is just the outside chance that another witless may be thinking of killing and eating a baby--that's what you get for pushing prisons and mental institutions for disciples.

    designs posted Sun, 04 Jul 2010 14:00:00 GMT(7/4/2010)

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    Do you feel safe sitting in a Stadium with 30,000 religious people that the public hates.

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    Lozhasleft posted Sun, 04 Jul 2010 14:05:00 GMT(7/4/2010)

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    Echoes of 24...'Put the BAG down !'

    Loz x

    M JeffT posted Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:23:00 GMT(7/4/2010)

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    I think they that they can require that you submit to a search if you want to go into the event. Private security people search you going into rock concerts, sporting events and other events. Your are not required to submit to, or allow such a search, but then they are not required to let you in.

    M TD posted Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:50:00 GMT(7/4/2010)

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    My experience is similar to Jeff. There has been a cursorial search going in to every live performance I've attended in the last few years.

    It wasn't terribly intrusive. Nobody was physically touched in any way. They took a quick look in women's handbags if they were larger than a certain size and asked a few men to open their coats. The people conducting the search were just garden variety hired security, not actual law enforcement. Submitting to the search was a condition for entering the venue.

    I think the JW's could pull off something similar if they really wanted to. I have no idea whether it would be legal with volunteer attendents, but suspect that it would not.

    Having said all that, I attended the Sunday session a few weeks ago and went in with a recorder and a digital SLR. It didn't so much as raise and eyebrow

    notverylikely posted Sun, 04 Jul 2010 17:34:00 GMT(7/4/2010)

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    They do and don't have the right. Since the JW's rented the facility, they have the right to search anyone entering the facility. If you say "no thanks" and walk away, they don't.

    M thetrueone posted Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:03:00 GMT(7/4/2010)

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    Is this really surprising that they would investigate who is going into a public assembly, its just another attempt to show

    that there are enforcers around who will watch and take down people who appear suspicious and troublesome.

    It may very well be just a way to see if an individual has any anti-JWS paraphernalia on their person,

    who would enter closely inside.

    If the huge banners like whats standing behind Koolaid Man is an indication of whats happening around large

    convention sites these days, its not surprising that they would take this new policy.

    M steve2 posted Sun, 04 Jul 2010 20:17:00 GMT(7/4/2010)

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    You mean we have to tune in to a special expose-type program to find out what some man somewhere thinks the searches are about??

    Come on - this is ridiculous

    A few years ago in my local community, a religious nutter (not a JW) phoned local radio stations threatening to blow up the convention centre where the District Convention was to be held. The police advised JW convention organizers to assign some brothers to monitor what was being brought into the convention centre and the police correspondingly maintained a low-key presence (after searching the building). There was nothing cultish or sinister about it.

    F lisavegas420 posted Sun, 04 Jul 2010 20:40:00 GMT(7/4/2010)

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    The invitation that a jw stuck in my door that said, "Public Welcome" didn't say anything about being searched.

    I have been to concerts and other events that it was told before, either on the ticket or upon registering that you could be searched.

    lisa

    M thetrueone posted Sun, 04 Jul 2010 20:59:00 GMT(7/4/2010)

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    In reality this may make people rethink going to JWS conventions since there is the possibility of trouble

    and perhaps violence occurring.

    Who feels like going to church where there is suppose to be peace and tranquility and find

    out upon arriving you go through a personal search. Thats got to be a turn off of some sorts.

    M steve2 posted Mon, 05 Jul 2010 01:45:00 GMT(7/5/2010)

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    In reality this may make people rethink going to JWS conventions since there is the possibility of trouble

    and perhaps violence occurring.

    Or it may feed into the belief that this is a time of persecution of "Jehovah's" people and make them more likely to attend. Take your pick on whether this sort of news hinders or helps attendance levels.

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