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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-27-10 WT Study (APRIL 15, 2010, pages 24-28)(THE CHRIST)
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ARE YOU FULLY FOLLOWING THE CHRIST? “Just as you are in fact walking, . . . keep on doing it more fully.”—1 THESS. 4:1.
OPENING COMMENTS
What is the real theme of this article—being zealous, having zeal, not begging off, not making excuses about preaching the WTS dogma. Is a jw following Christ or Jehovah? Are the witness of Jesus or Jehovah? While jws may post increased hours---are their more people becoming jws, does the rank and file jw feel that their salvation depends on making disciples or merely giving the appearance of putting in 10 hours a month?
For years the WTS taught that The Christ was Jesus plus the 144,000, head and body complete.
Then this antitypical Moses, The Christ complete, Head and Body, will mediate between God and the world of mankind for a thousand years. 9/1/13 WT p. 261 We emphasized the fact that The Christ is the Vine-- that Jesus is the Root, and his faithful members branches in him.5/1/11 WT p. 132 This "city" or government will consist of The Christ--the "Bridegroom" and "the bride the Lamb's wife."12/15/97 WT p. 304 But we have already shown that one reason why we are called theChrist, is that we are like our Leader, anointed of the Spirit or power of God.P. 1, 5/1881 WT Moreover a double figure is used to represent The Christ, namely, Jesus the Head and the Church his Body. 9/15/10, p. 294 The Apostle Paul identifies the real seed most unmistakably: "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." Not the Christ in one person merely, but the Christ in many persons: "For ye are all the children of God, by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."--`Gal. 3:16-29`. 8/15/92 WT, p. 249 That Jesus thus recognizes His followers as His members is clearly attested by the Apostle. In their flesh they are counted as members of Jesus; as New Creatures spirit-begotten, they are counted as members of The Christ. Thus Jesus said to Saul of Tarsus, speaking of His followers, "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me?" SM76 Sermon Book / SM069 - Blood Atonement Was Necessary In harmony with this teaching of John, that we also are anointed, Paul assures us that this mystery which has been kept secret in ages past, but which is now made known to the saints, is that the Christ (the Anointed) is "not one member, but many," just as the human body is one, and has many members; but as all the members of the body, being many, are one body, so also is the Anointed--the Christ. (1 Cor. 12:12-28) Jesus is anointed to be the Head or Lord over the Church, which is his body (or his bride, as expressed in another figure--Eph. 5:25-30), and unitedly they constitute the promised "Seed"--the Great Deliverer: "If ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Gal. 3:29A82 Volume 1 - The Divine Plan of the Ages / A077 - "The Mystery Hid From Ages And From Generations, But Now Made Manifest To His Saints"--Col. 1:26 Those who will constitute the spiritual phase of the kingdom are the overcoming saints of the Gospel age--the Christ, head and body--glorified. Their resurrection and exaltation to power precedes that of all others, because through this class all others are to be blessed. (Heb. 11:39,40) Theirs is the first resurrection. (Rev. 20:5*) The great work before this glorious anointed company--the Christ—A288 Volume 1 - The Divine Plan of the Ages / A273 - The Kingdom Of God The glory of the earthly, as we have seen, was lost by the first Adam's sin, and is to be restored to the race by the Lord Jesus and his Bride (the Christ, Head and body) during the Millennial reign. A181 Volume 1 - The Divine Plan of the Ages / A173 - Spiritual And Human Natures Separate And Distinct START OF ARTICLE
1, 2. (a) What grand things did many people in Jesus’ day witness? (b)Why is our present era also momentous?
HAVE you ever entertained the thought of how wonderful it must have been to be alive when Jesus was on earth? You might think of the prospect of being healed by Jesus and thus spared the distress of some troublesome physical affliction. Or you might consider the sheer pleasure of being able to see and hear Jesus—to be able to learn from him or to see him perform some miracle. (Mark 4:1, 2; Luke 5:3-9; 9:11)What a great privilege it would have been to be present when Jesus did all those works! (Luke 19:37) No generation since then has witnessed such things, and what Jesus accomplished on earth “through the sacrifice of himself” will not be repeated. —Heb. 9:26; John 14:19.
COMMENTS
So that is what Jesus’ followers felt was important, being personally healed, to be “entertained” by his miracles? Weren’t they supposed to be looking forward to God’s name being sanctified and God’s sovereignty being vindicated?
Aren’t the anointed jw described as having the special privilege of seeing and hearing Jesus after their resurrection to heaven, a privilege no other humans will have?
***w99 7/15 p. 19 par. 14 Anchored byHope, Impelled by Love***Out of gratitude to Jehovah, our primary concern should be, not to gain personal salvation, but to witness the sanctification of his holy name and the vindication of his righteous sovereignty.
2 Our present era, though, is also momentous. Why so? We now live in what the Scriptures foretold as “the time of the end” and “the last days.” (Dan. 12:1-4, 9; 2 Tim. 3:1) During this period, Satan was cast out of heaven. Soon, he will be bound and thrown “into the abyss.” (Rev.12:7-9, 12; 20:1-3) It is also during this time that we have the grand privilege of declaring the “good news of the kingdom” worldwide, telling people about the hope of the Paradise to come—a never-to- be-repeated work.—Matt. 24:14.
COMMENTS
What did the Watchtower Society teach was the “time of the end” and did it begin or end in 1914?
The Time of the End--Its Commencement, A.D. 1799--Its Close, A.D. 1914 a point that cannot be found on the WT-CD.
Did the Bible Students see as the early Christians saw Jesus, see Jesus cast out Satan and will they see literally Satan cast into the “abyss”?
What is the good news that jws preach? How is it that the suggested presentations in the KM rarely mention the Kingdom or Jesus? Is that what average non-jws will say about jws, that they preach about the kingdom? Or are they remember for not celebrating birthdays or holidays, not taking blood transfusions, not voting or serving in the military, etc. What non-jw if asked would say, they come to my door with the good news of the kingdom?
Do jws tell people that unless they become baptized jws that they will not be in the Paradise to come, but will be destroyed by God without any hope of a resurrection, including children and babies?
3. Just before his ascension to heaven, what did Jesus tell his followers to do, and what would that involve?
3 Just before his ascension to heaven, Jesus told his followers: “You will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria and to the most distant part of the earth.” (Acts 1:8) That work would involve a global teaching activity. The goal? To make disciples—additional followers of the Christ—before the end comes. (Matt. 28:19, 20) What must we do if we want to succeed in fulfilling Christ’s commission?
COMMENTS
At Acts 1:8, Jesus said his followers would be witnesses of Jesus, no mention of God or Jehovah. In fact there is no mention of Jehovah’s witnesses in the Old Testament, only witnesses of Jesus. Hmmm….
(Revelation12:16-17) . . .. 17 And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus.
(Revelation17:5-6) . . .” 6 And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.. . . (Revelation19:10) . . .for the bearing witness to Jesus is what inspires prophesying.”
The WTS feels that only jws are true Christians, the rest are only professed or false. Considering that jws are named as followers of Jehovah, how is it then that people become followers of Jesus?
***w97 1/15p. 22pars. 21-22 What Does God Require of Us?*** We must serveJehovahwithhisspirit-directedorganization. How, though, can God’s organized people be identified? According to the standards set out in the Scriptures, they have real love among themselves, they have deep respect for the Bible, they honor God’s name, they preach about his Kingdom, and they are no part of this wicked world. (Matthew 6:9; 24:14; John 13:34, 35; 17:16, 17) There is only one religious organization on this earth that has all these marks of true Christianity—Jehovah’sWitnesses!
4. (a) Peter’s exclamation found at 2 Peter 3:11, 12 Emphasizes what need? (b) Against what do we need to be on guard?
4 Note this exclamation of the apostle Peter: “What sort of persons ought you to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah!” (2 Pet. 3:11, 12) Peter’s words emphasize the need to keep close watch during these last days to make sure that our life remains centered on deeds of godly devotion. Such deeds include the preaching of the good news. What a joy it is, therefore, for us to observe the zeal with which our brothers worldwide are carrying out Christ’s preaching commission! At the same time, we realize that we need to be careful that the daily pressures from Satan’s world and from our own inherited fleshly tendencies do not diminish the zeal with which we are carrying out God’s service. Let us consider, therefore, how we can make sure that we keep on following the Christ.
COMMENTS
Once again the WTS features “deeds” of preaching their message. Would a jw be like the priest and the Levite that walked by the injured Jew as they were on the way to their “preaching” rather than help him like the Samaritan (non-jw)?
“Our brothers” worldwide, yet many if not most jws ignore the needs of their “brothers” in the same congregation.
Keep following the Christ = WTS/FDS/GB in reality
Are jws zealous in your neighborhood? How often do they call in your area, once every 2 to 5 years? What do they highlight: the kingdom or the destruction of the wicked. Where is the love in their message, or is it negative?
Embrace God-Given Responsibilities
5, 6. (a) For what did Paul commend his fellow believers in Jerusalem, and against what did he warn them? (b) Why should we not take our God-given responsibilities lightly?
5 In his letter to the Christians in Jerusalem, the apostle Paul commended his fellow believers for their past record of faithful endurance even under persecution. He stated: “Keep on remembering the former days in which, after you were enlightened, you endured a great contest under sufferings.” Yes, Jehovah remembered their faithful course. (Heb. 6:10; 10:32-34) Paul’s warm words of commendation must have encouraged those Hebrew Christians greatly. However, in that same letter, Paul also warned against a human tendency that if not kept under control, could diminish one’s zeal for God’s service. He stated that Christians should be careful not to “beg off,” or excuse themselves, from following God’s commandments.— Heb.12:25.
COMMENTS
Does the past record of jws count or only what they are doing right now? If a person is an inactive jw now, does it matter that they pioneered for 30 years or brought 15 people into the WT organization? Does this record count if they no longer support the WTS doctrine, for example the explanation of “generation” that has changed in 1995, 2008, and 2010?
Diminish one’s zeal—beg off—excuse themselves
Sounds like the rank and file are slowing down and even stopping?
6 That warning against the tendency to “beg off” from embracing God-given responsibilities also applies to Christians today. We realize that we need to be determined never to take our Christian responsibilities lightly or to allow our zeal for God’s service to diminish. (Heb. 10:39) After all, rendering sacred service is a matter of life and death. —1 Tim. 4:16.
COMMENTS
Tendency to “beg off”—zeal…to diminish Life is dependent on preaching the WTS doctrine
7, 8. (a) What will help us to maintain our zeal for God’s service? (b) If we have lost some of our initial zeal, what should we remember about Jehovah and Jesus?
7 What will help us to guard against excusing ourselves from fulfilling our obligations to God? One important way to fight that tendency is by regularly meditating on the meaning of our dedication vow. In essence, we promised Jehovah that we would put the doing of his will foremost in our lives, and we want to keep that promise. (Read Matthew 16:24.) Therefore, at times we need to pause and ask ourselves: ‘Do I still feel as determined to live up to my dedication to God as I did at the time of my baptism? Or have I lost some of my initial zeal in the years since then?’
COMMENTS
Excusing ourselves…doing the WTS will foremost…lost initial zeal
Does the WTS know about the fake hours, ineffective hours, socializing not preaching?
8 If an honest self-examination proves that we have slackened the hand somewhat, we do well to recall the invigorating words spoken by the prophet Zephaniah. He stated: “May your hands not drop down. Jehovah your God is in the midst of you. As a mighty One, he will save. He will exult over you with rejoicing.” (Zeph. 3:16, 17) These reassuring words first applied to the Israelites of old who returned to Jerusalem from captivity in Babylon. However, this assurance still holds true for God’s people today. Since the work we do is Jehovah’s work, we should keep in mind that both Jehovah and his Son back us up and strengthen us to discharge fully our God-given responsibilities. (Matt. 28:20; Phil. 4:13) If we strive to continue to do God’s work with zeal, he will bless us and help us to go on prospering spiritually.
COMMENTS
Honest SELF-examination? Or will the individual jw be judged by the elders, the CO, the elders’ wives, and other self-righteous jws?
Slackened the hand…with zeal…hands dropped down God’s people today – only jws God-given responsibilities—how many times is this phrase in the article? Given by God or the WTS? What are these responsibilities that the WTS feels have slackened?
Zealously “Seeking First the Kingdom”
9, 10. What is the point of Jesus’ parable of the grand evening meal, and what lesson can we draw from it?
9 While eating a meal in the home of a ruler of the Pharisees, Jesus gave an illustration about a grand evening meal. In that illustration, he described the opportunity extended to different ones to come in line for the Kingdom of the heavens. He also illustrated what it means to “beg off.” (Read Luke 14:16-21.) The invited guests in Jesus’ illustration gave excuses for not attending the feast. One said that he needed to go and examine a field he had just bought. Another said that he bought some cattle and wanted to examine them. Still another said: ‘I cannot come. I just got married.’ These were poor excuses. One who buys a field or livestock normally examines them beforehand, so there is no great urgency to examine them afterward. And why should a recent marriage prevent one from accepting such an important invitation? No wonder the host in the illustration was incensed!
COMMENTS
Beg off…gave excuses…no great urgency
Think about this, was Jesus talking about his followers? Or was he talking about the Jews who did NOT accept the invitation to follow Jesus?
Does the WTS apply this to its members by making comparisons to unknown and unnamed jws who cross through crocodile infested waters, or who are carried by a brother to the meetings in a wheelbarrow, or who walk 60 miles one way to the KH, or who regular pioneer although having 6 children and an opposed husband? What jw could come up with any excuse saying they could not regular pioneer, including the elders?
Would the jws in your congregation do this?
***yb97 pp. 235-236 Micronesia***Missionaries throughout Micronesia routinely use their cars or pickup trucks to help people get to meetings, but there is a form of transportation that perhaps only Barak Bowman has tried. When the failing health of a heavyset 70-year-old sister prevented her from walking the two miles [3km] to the Kingdom Hall, Barak tried to figure out a way to help her. “I would like to pick you up for the meeting,” he said, “but I only have a wheelbarrow that I can use.” To his surprise, she replied, “OK, I don’t mind.” You can imagine the sight as they rolled along the trail en route to the meeting—also the effort that was required on Barak’s part. He would leave home at 7:00 a.m. with an empty wheelbarrow and arrive back at the hall with our sister aboard just in time for the 9:30 a.m. program.
***w62 6/1 p. 341 par. 20What will this brother say about the African witnesses in Nyasaland who, in order to attend the congregational meetings, have to ‘walk seven to fifteen miles in the rain and swim a river or two infested with crocodiles’? The flimsy argument, ‘I am tired,’ will not help him.
***w98 3/1 p. 19 par. 18In Mozambique it took a district overseer, Orlando, and his wife, Amélia, 45 hours to walk some 55 miles [90km] over a high mountain to serve an assembly. Then they had to make the same trip back to serve the next assembly. Orlando modestly reported: “We felt that we had done nothing when we met up with the brothers from the Bawa Congregation. To attend the assembly and return to their homes involved a six-day journey of about 250 miles [400km] on foot, and among them was a brother 60 years old!”
***km 2/87 p. 5 par. 9 Auxiliary Pioneering—Have YouTriedI t?***One sister was able to auxiliary pioneer even though she has five children, works secularly, and has an unbaptized husband.
***km 2/73 p. 3 “Clean from the Blood of All Men”***A sister from Hawaii relates how she is able to pioneer although having three children and an unbelieving, husband:
10 All of God’s people can learn a lesson from Jesus’ parable. What is it? We should never allow personal matters, such as those mentioned in Jesus’ illustration, to become so important to us that they push aside our service to God. If a Christian does not keep personal affairs in their proper place, his zeal in the ministry will gradually diminish. (Read Luke 8:14.) To prevent that from happening, we live by Jesus’ admonition: “Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness.” (Matt. 6:33) How encouraging it is to observe that God’s servants —young and old alike—are applying that vital counsel! In fact, many have taken steps to simplify their lifestyle so that they can give more time to the ministry. They learn firsthand that zealously seeking first the Kingdom brings true happiness and great satisfaction.
COMMENTS
God’s people = only jws A Christian = only a jw God’s servants = only jws
Simplify their lifestyle = would jws get rid of their vehicles and bike or walk to the meetings, some who only live 5 miles away? Zeal…diminish…zealously seeking
So what personal affairs would allow one to miss meetings or door to door? Being in the hospital in a coma?
11. What Bible account illustrates the importance of being zealous and wholehearted in serving God?
11 To illustrate the importance of being zealous in God’s service, note an event that took place in the life of King Jehoash of Israel. Concerned over the apparent fate of Israel at the hands of Syria, Jehoash came weeping to Elisha. The prophet instructed him to shoot an arrow out the window toward Syria, indicating victory by Jehovah’s hand against that nation. This certainly should have invigorated the king. Elisha next told Jehoash to take his arrows and strike the earth with them. Jehoash struck the earth three times. Elisha was incensed at this, for striking the earth five or six times would have indicated “striking down Syria to the finishing point.” Now Jehoash would enjoy only three partial victories. Because he acted with a lack of zeal, Jehoash experienced limited success. (2 Kings 13:14-19) What lesson can we learn from that account? Jehovah will abundantly bless us only if we do his work wholeheartedly and with zeal.
COMMENTS
OT—Jehoash So how would he have known that 3 was not as good as 5 or 6 or perhaps 7 or 9? Lack of zeal – at least the WTS sets the “national average” of 10 hours as a goal to shoot for.
Does this mean that if an individual jw never has a bible study or have someone get baptized that they were not wholehearted or zealous?
12. (a) What will help us to maintain our zeal in God’s service while coping with life’s challenges? (b) Relate how you are benefiting from keeping busy in the ministry.
12 Life’s challenges test our zeal and devotion to God’s service. Many brothers and sisters are coping with trying economic circumstances. Others are frustrated because a serious illness limits what they are able to do in Jehovah’s service. Still, each of us can take steps to ensure that we maintain our zeal and continue to follow the Christ fully. Please note some of the suggestions and scriptures listed in the box “What Will Help You to Keep Following the Christ?” Consider how you can apply them to the full. If you do, you will reap real benefits. Keeping busy in the ministry has a stabilizing effect on us, enriches our life, and brings us greater peace and happiness. (1 Cor. 15:58) Moreover, being whole-souled in our service to God helps us in “keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah.”—2 Pet. 3:12.
COMMENTS
Barriers to making WT hourly goals: Economic circumstances Serious illness
Maintain zeal…fully
See box below: So are jws to judge others zeal…how…by the amount of time they spend, or the preparation they put into, or the unselfish reasons they do it?
How do jws appreciate the urgency when the WTS has put forth dates of 1914, 1915, 1920, 1925, 1940’s, 1975, end of 1914 generation (1984, 1994), which have failed to be fulfilled. Soon, very soon now. Urgency for who, the people they talk to or their own lives. Are jws really concerned about non-jws living or are they looking forward to their destruction so Paradise can begin?
Make a Frank Appraisal
13. How can we determine what whole-souled service means for us personally?
13 It is good to remember, though, that being whole-souled is not a matter of how much time we spend in the ministry. Individual circumstances vary. A person who spends just an hour or two in field service each month may be very pleasing to Jehovah if that really is all his health allows him to do. (Compare Mark 12:41-44.) Hence, to determine what whole-souled service to God means for us personally, we need to make a frank appraisal of our abilities and circumstances. As followers of Christ, we also want to harmonize our viewpoint with his. (Read Romans 15:5; 1 Cor. 2:16) What did Jesus put foremost in his life? He told the crowds from Capernaum: “I must declare the good news of the kingdom of God, because for this I was sent forth.” (Luke 4: 43; John 18:37) With Jesus’ zeal for his ministry in mind, evaluate your circumstances to see if you could further expand you ministry.— 1 Cor.11:1.
COMMENTS
The WTS says being whole-souled is not a matter of how much time is spent preaching the WTS doctrine…..circumstances vary….but who judges your circumstances? Who judges if you are sick enough to get only one or 2 hours?
“If that REALLY is all his health allows him to do”? Do you see the judgmental aspect to this phrase?
Are jws really making frank appraisals of themselves or are others in the congregation helping them make a frank appraisal?
Shall they compare themselves to this woman as the WTS does?
***g93 9/22 p. 9 Loneliness—AreYou Determined to Fight It and Win?***Take the case of Laurel Nisbet. She contracted polio and at 36 years of age was placed in an iron lung, where she lay flat on her back for 37 years. Totally paralyzed from the neck down, she could move her head, but that was all. At first she was sad beyond despair. Then, after about a day of self-pity, she decided, ‘Enough of that!’ She had two children to raise and a husband to care for. She began to rebuild her life; she learned to manage her home from an iron lung. Laurel slept very little. How did she pass the long nighttime hours? Giving in to loneliness? No. She prayed to her heavenly Father, Jehovah. Prayed for strength for herself, prayed for her Christian brothers and sisters, and prayed for opportunities to witness to others about God’s Kingdom. She devised ways to preach and impressed many by her witnessing for Jehovah’s name. She allowed no thistles of loneliness to grow; she was too busy tending the roses.
***km 6/03 p. 7 par. 4 Disabled—Yet Fruitful***Were you not encouraged by the life story of Laurel Nisbet, who was confined to an iron lung for 37 years yet helped 17 individuals to come to an accurate knowledge of Bible truth? In like manner, your example can inspire fellow believers to exert themselves in Jehovah’s service.—g93 1/22 pp. 18-21.
***km 8/96 p. 1 par. 3 One sister, a victim of polio, was confined to an iron lung. She was not able to go to the Kingdom Hall or attend an assembly. But she was intensely occupied with declaring the good news. During her 37-year confinement, she was able to help 17 people learn the truth! How did she do it? Although unable to go from door to door, she found a way each day to witness informally to those who came in contact with her.
BOX What Will Help You to Keep Following the Christ?
? Read God’s Word daily, and meditate on what you read.—Ps. 1:1-3; 1 Tim. 4:15.
? Pray often for the support and guidance of God’s spirit.—Zech. 4:6; Luke 11:9, 13.
? Associate with those who demonstrate heartfelt zeal for the ministry.—Prov.13: 20; Heb.10:24, 25.
? Appreciate the urgency of the times in which we are living.—Eph. 5:15,16.
? Be conscious of the serious consequences of ‘begging off.’—Luke 9:59-62.
? Reflect regularly on your dedication vow and the abundant blessings that result from serving Jehovah and following the Christ wholeheartedly.—Ps. 116:12-14; 133:3; Prov.10:22.
14. In what ways could we further expand our ministry?
14 A careful consideration of our circumstances may lead us to conclude that we could increase the amount of time we spend in the ministry. (Matt. 9:37, 38) For instance, many thousands of our young people who recently graduated from school have expanded their ministry and are now experiencing the joy that comes from zealously serving as pioneers. Would you like to taste that joy as well? Some brothers and sisters have considered their circumstances and decided that they could move to an area in their country, or even abroad, where there is a greater need for Kingdom publishers. Still others have learned another language to help foreign-speaking people. While expanding our ministry can be challenging, it brings rich blessings, and we may help many others to “come to an accurate knowledge of truth.”—1 Tim. 2:3, 4; 2 Cor. 9:6.
COMMENTS Increase…expanded…zealously..expanding
Graduated from school (high)…pioneer…move to need greater area…learn another language
We have a Spanish-speaking congregation where jws have moved over to “help.” 5 years later they still cannot give a simple talk in the school or understand what is being discussed at the meetings (yes, I know some couldn’t do it in English). But they enjoy the social life and less pressure and expectations. Some of the men think that Hispanic women are more submissive and make better wives.
Bible Examples to Follow
15, 16. Whose examples can we imitate in being zealous followers of the Christ?
15 How did some who became apostles respond when Christ called them to be his followers? Regarding Matthew, the account says: “Leaving everything behind he rose up and went following him.” (Luke 5:27, 28) About Peter and Andrew, who were fishing, we read: “At once abandoning the nets, they followed him.” Jesus next saw James and John, who were mending their nets along with their father. How did they react to Jesus’ invitation? “At once leaving the boat and their father, they followed him.”—Matt. 4:18-22.
COMMENTS
While they did leave at once, they went back to fishing. How else could they support their family (Peter was married) as the scriptures said was a requirement. Should jw men quit their jobs and go pioneering and let their wives support the family?
The WTS is being deceptive in the relating of this account.
***w05 2/1 p.11 par. 11”***Was the disciples’ prompt response a spur-of-the-moment decision? Hardly! Even though they did return to their family fishing business after their first contact with Jesus, there is no doubt that what they had seen and heard on that occasion left a deep impression on their heart and mind.
16 Another fine example is that of Saul, who became the apostle Paul. Although he had been a rabid persecutor of Christ’s followers, he changed course and became “a chosen vessel” to bear Christ’s name. “Immediately in the synagogues [Paul] began to preach Jesus, that this One is the Son of God.” (Acts 9:3-22) And despite his having to endure much hardship and persecution, Paul never lost his zeal.—2 Cor. 11:23-29; 12:15.
COMMENTS
Never lost his zeal – have jws then been losing their zeal, if they ever had it?
17. (a) What is your desire in regard to following the Christ? (b) What blessings do we enjoy because of doing Jehovah’s will with all our heart and strength?
17 We surely want to imitate the fine examples of those disciples and respond eagerly and without reservation. (Heb. 6:11, 12) What blessings do we enjoy as we continue to strive to follow the Christ zealously and fully? We find genuine pleasure in doing the will of God and experience the satisfaction that comes from accepting additional privileges of service and responsibilities in the congregation. (Ps. 40:8; read 1 Thessalonians 4:1.) Yes, as we vigorously exert ourselves in following the Christ, we enjoy such rich and lasting blessings as peace of mind, satisfaction, contentment, God’s approval, and the prospect of everlasting life.—1 Tim. 4:10.
COMMENTS
Respond eagerly…without reservation…zealously…fully…genuine pleasure…vigorously exert
Does this description fit jws? What is the attendance at your congregation on Saturday or Sunday meetings for field service? Are people prepared having read the literature and have a speaking point not an introduction they have used for the last 30 years?
In the end what motivates jws is the CARROT of the prospect of everlasting life, their own, not that of the people in the field.
Do You Recall?
? What important work have we been given, and how should we view it?
? What human tendency must we guard against, and why?
? What frank appraisal should we make?
? What will help us to keep following the Christ?
CONCLUDING COMMENTS Who is the Christ really, Jesus (head) and the 144,000 (body) per the WTS. That means that the anointed GB are really part of the Christ. No one can reach Christ except through the GB administration…making them the mediator. This article indicates that the zeal of the rank and file is dropping off. Yes, as the WTS says, hours does not indicate wholeheartedness. Jws do not believe their salvation is dependent on being effective. Next Sunday, “Men, Do You Submit to Christ’s Headship?” Translation the WTS/FDS/GB headship. Love, Blondie |
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Re: Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-27-10 WT Study (THE CHRIST)
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Post 3579 of 11600 Since 6/25/2009 |
Another really bland article, which seems to have very little point. Isn't the Watchtower study suspossed to be the meat of the weekly spritual banquet table? |
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Re: Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-27-10 WT Study (THE CHRIST)
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2 Our present era, though, is also momentous. Why so? We now live in what the Scriptures foretold as “the time of the end” and “the last days.” (Dan. 12:1-4, 9; 2 Tim. 3:1) During this period, Satan was cast out of heaven. Soon, he will be bound and thrown “into the abyss.” (Rev.12:7-9, 12; 20:1-3) It is also during this time that we have the grand privilege of declaring the “good news of the kingdom” worldwide, telling people about the hope of the Paradise to come—a never-to- be-repeated work.—Matt. 24:14.
The old standby. It is SOON that things will happen. SOON. And if the members just make some half-assed attempts to "place" literature, they are "declaring" something that qualifies them for life in that paradise SOON.
para 4 COMMENTS Once again the WTS features “deeds” of preaching their message. Would a jw be like the priest and the Levite that walked by the injured Jew as they were on the way to their “preaching” rather than help him like the Samaritan (non-jw)? That is an excellent thought. I had to skim the article. It is just loaded with the typical same-old WT cliche phrases on zeal and doing more. |
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Re: Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-27-10 WT Study (THE CHRIST)
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Bland, cantleave, but they are definitely swinging the whip that they are not zealous enough, expanding enough, sacrificing enough. I do believe that the WTS is getting more concerned about the apathy of jws tired of waiting. I remember the 1975 days and nothing has come close since then and definitely not since 1995 when the 1914 generation was buried alive. (I see my bolding is off again, sorry) |
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Re: Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-27-10 WT Study (THE CHRIST)
posted Sun, 27 Jun 2010 13:24:00 GMT
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Post 1527 of 16166 Since 6/17/2009 |
In Catholicism this is known as the Sacred Magisterium and Roman Curia who have oversite of the Sacred Traditions and Sacred Scriptures. The Roman Curia are the administrative apparatus of the Holy See and are primarily Cardinals and Bishops. The Society is merely following in a long tradition begun by the Eastern and Western Catholic Church. I wonder if Genuflextion has been considered by the GB.
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Re: Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-27-10 WT Study (THE CHRIST)
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Post 3580 of 11600 Since 6/25/2009 |
They would need something more specific in order to achieve another increase like that pre-1975. I think the apparent increase in earthqueakes the first 1/2 of this year, the global recession and the BP debacle have got some dubs anxious, but the org doesn't seem to be really capatilising and this, and the majority of the R&F are still doing what they have always done or less. |
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Re: Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-27-10 WT Study (THE CHRIST)
posted Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:09:00 GMT
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First, I noticed that spot in paragraph 7 about keeping our promise to Jehovah. As He welshed on me first, I now feel free to welsh right back on Him. And, what does this have to do with Jesus? Did Jesus say that we need to go out and preach, keep track of our time, do as much as we possibly can at great hardship to us, and then continue doing this for life? Or, did he say that we should simply do what is good and refrain from doing what is bad? I notice that, in an article that is supposed to be devoted to following the Christ, they use a lot of Old Testament examples--how can anyone be truly following the Christ (which is Jesus, if it's the one I think it is) by using these examples? |
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Re: Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-27-10 WT Study (THE CHRIST)
posted Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:57:00 GMT
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Post 173 of 522 Since 9/26/2009 |
Blondie: Thank you very much. I enjoy your contribution, balance and rationalization you bring to this forum. I can imagine the WT writing committee saying "oh sh%t!!" on (no doubt) reading your research for the apostles going back to fishing. It is sad that the current "wisdom" of the GB and their writing committee is to try to put ebverything into soundbite size and discourage personal research even of recent articles (less than 10 years) that cleary are in contradiction with more current ones. It is a violation of human sensibility to take away ones right to reason. I did once over enjoy some of the occasional flashes of scholarliness - not any more. I was very troubled that the books on Daniel which I was told were as a result of research directed by holy spirit are literally lifted from Sir Isaac Newton's OWN research on the books of Daniel and Revelation verbatim. He sepnt years researching and was a recognized expert in Greek and Latin and sought the assistance of those who were equally gifted in Hebrew and Aramaic - languages he was not familiar with. How sad to take claim of such a body of work of work. Thanks again, your work is not in vain. |
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Re: Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-27-10 WT Study (THE CHRIST)
posted Sun, 27 Jun 2010 17:06:00 GMT
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Post 50 of 795 Since 9/27/2009 |
It is all presented so "third-grade" condescendingly...amazing. |
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Re: Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-27-10 WT Study (THE CHRIST)
posted Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:06:00 GMT
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Post 445 of 994 Since 5/25/2005 |
One of the problems, and it is not just faced by jw's, is to try to write "themed" articles based on belief structure and the bible. It is no easier or successful then the efforts of those who wrote that book to stay harmonious. So in this article one is given to believe the whole purpose of this door knocking is to save precious lives.
3 Just before his ascension to heaven, Jesus told his followers: "You will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria and to the most distant part of the earth." (Acts 1:8) That work would involve a global teaching activity. The goal? To make disciples-additional followers of the Christ-before the end comes. (Matt. 28:19, 20) What must we do if we want to succeed in fulfilling Christ's commission?
Notice what the "goal" is. Make disciples.
However what do they say in another article, below.
Now notice what the "goal" is in the following article. Rendering a sacrifice of praise to Jehovah. ***w087/15p.6par.14TheHouse-to-HouseMinistry-WhyImportantNow?*** 14 As important as the preservation of human life is, there is a far greater reason for preaching from house to house. In the prophecy recorded at Malachi 1:11, Jehovah declares: "From the sun's rising even to its setting my name will be great among the nations, and . . . a presentation will be made to my name, even a clean gift; because my name will be great among the nations." In fulfillment of this prophecy, Jehovah's dedicated servants are publicly praising his name in all the earth as they humbly carry out their ministry. (Ps. 109:30; Matt. 24:14) Rendering "a sacrifice of praise" to Jehovah is our foremost reason for preaching publicly and from house to house.-Heb. 13:15.
And further the thought here TextforMay-01-10 would make the salvation issue dependent on the preaching also. Saturday, May 1 Putamarkontheforeheadsofthementhataresighingandgroaningoverallthedetestablethingsthatarebeingdone.-Ezek.9:4. Following that marking work, six men with slaughtering weapons are commanded to execute all those who do not have the mark. (Ezek. 9:1-6) Ezekiel's vision highlights one reason why our ongoing search for people who are "sighing and groaning" is so urgent. It involves lives. Soon, Jehovah's heavenly executional forces, represented by the six men with weapons, will destroy those who do not have the symbolic mark. Concerning that coming judgment, the apostle Paul wrote that the Lord Jesus, accompanied by "his powerful angels," will bring "vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus." (2 Thess. 1:7, 8) Notice that people will be judged on the basis of their response to the good news. Hence, the proclamation of God's message must continue unabated right to the end.-Rev. 14:6, 7. w08 7/15 1:10, 12
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Re: Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-27-10 WT Study (THE CHRIST)
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I am not attending today. But I look forward to Monday's discussion a bit more now! |
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Re: Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-27-10 WT Study (THE CHRIST)
posted Mon, 28 Jun 2010 02:21:00 GMT
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Post 2018 of 12325 Since 4/8/2009 |
Thank you for your hard work, Blondie!! Having said that, I think I may faint... The WTBTS actually wrote an article focusing on Jesus??? Amazing... |
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Re: Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-27-10 WT Study (THE CHRIST)
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11 To illustrate the importance of being zealous in God’s service, note an event that took place in the life of King Jehoash of Israel. Concerned over the apparent fate of Israel at the hands of Syria, Jehoash came weeping to Elisha. The prophet instructed him to shoot an arrow out the window toward Syria, indicating victory by Jehovah’s hand against that nation. This certainly should have invigorated the king. Elisha next told Jehoash to take his arrows and strike the earth with them. Jehoash struck the earth three times. Elisha was incensed at this, for striking the earth five or six times would have indicated “striking down Syria to the finishing point.” Now Jehoash would enjoy only three partial victories. Because he acted with a lack of zeal, Jehoash experienced limited success. (2 Kings 13:14-19) What lesson can we learn from that account? Jehovah will abundantly bless us only if we do his work wholeheartedly and with zeal.
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OT—Jehoash So how would he have known that 3 was not as good as 5 or 6 or perhaps 7 or 9?
You hit the nail on the head with this comment! I was thinking along the lines of, how can they have the audacity to assume this man lost his zeal or wasn't zealous enough? Were they there? Since they speculated, let me take a try at it.
How do we know this man wasn't confused or afraid to request simply, "How many there, baldy? You are going to have to be a little clearer than that! "
Oh no! Their speculation is always correct. Yet we are regularly counseled on inserting our own opinion when explaining a scripture.
Dammit! I just became guilty of it! I have opinions! AAAAAGGGHHH! |
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Re: Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-27-10 WT Study (THE CHRIST)
posted Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:24:00 GMT
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Post 186 of 537 Since 10/17/2009 |
The WTBTS actually wrote an article focusing on Jesus??? Amazing... Did they really, though? The article is about "the Christ". In Watchtower vernacular, "the Christ" is not simply a reference to Jesus, but to Jesus + the 144,000... But we have already shown that one reason why we are called the Christ, is that we are like our Leader, anointed of the Spirit or power of God. P. 1, 5/1881 WT So when the GB says "follow the Christ", they are really saying "follow us".
Matthew 24:23,24 springs to mind: At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
Peace. |


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