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    F blondie posted Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:09:00 GMT(11/18/2009)

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    Woman Wins Trespassing Judgment Against Jehovah's Witness
    Miscellaneous News
    Source: Foxnews
    Published: Thursday, May 03, 2001
    Posted on 05/03/2001 14:15:10 PDT by Buffalo Bob

    CLEONA, Pa. — A woman who said she repeatedly told Jehovah's Witnesses to stay off her property won a $632 judgment against one of them who showed up at her door and woke her up anyway.

    Jennie Basiago was awarded the money by a local district justice after filing a civil trespassing complaint against Bernadine DiStefano, a member of the Palmyra Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Basiago said followers of the religion came to her home every few months for 12 years and she called two Kingdom Halls in October and threatened legal action if the visits continued.

    But two Jehovah's Witnesses awakened the late-shift worker in February after driving down a 300-foot lane past eight no-trespassing signs and three dog-warning signs, Basiago said.

    "I just reached my limit," Basiago said.

    DiStefano said the visit was an accident. Basiago was on a list of homeowners who had requested no visits, but officials in East Hanover Township assigned new addresses in the area and the list was not updated.

    The defendant told District Justice Michael Smith she was driving and did not see the no-trespassing signs until Basiago pointed them out. She said Basiago was "enraged" at her and a woman accompanying her, and cursed at them.

    DiStefano said she and other Jehovah's Witnesses go door-to-door to discuss the Bible with people and "give them hope for the future."

    "That is our purpose -- not to harass her," DiStefano said.

    Basiago had sought $8,000 in damages, but Smith awarded her $40 for each of the two days she spent researching DiStefano's identity and a day for lost sleep, then added that to the $395 penalty for trespass under criminal statutes, plus court costs. DiStefano said she had not decided if she would appeal.

    F blondie posted Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:14:00 GMT(11/18/2009)

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    http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au

    Ram butts Bible man

    By CHRISTOPHER SALTER
    23-Jan-03 AFTER a day of doorknocking the last thing Jehovah's Witness Kenneth Hawthorn expected was to be attacked by one of God's creatures.

    But that is exactly what happened.
    Despite a gate marked 'private - keep out', Mr Hawthorn entered a farm only to be confronted by a four-year-old ram.

    He attempted to shoo it away with a briefcase containing Bibles but was knocked to the ground and suffered a broken shin.

    In the South Australian District Court, Mr Hawthorn and his wife Pamela, of Tea Tree Gully, reached a confidential settlement with the ram's owners for loss of earnings after the incident in July 2001.

    The Hawthorns sued Ronald and Julie Goldfinch, of Paracombe, in the Adelaide hills. They claimed they were forced to sell their hose-fitting business as a result of the injuries Mr Hawthorn suffered.

    They alleged the ram was a "dangerous and ferocious animal" and the Goldfinches were negligent for not keeping it confined and failing to warn visitors.

    The Hawthorns also sued the Adelaide Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses for failing to provide proper instructions about doorknocking in rural areas.

    In the Hawthorns' statement of claim, Mr Hawthorn, who was doorknocking with his daughter, said they opened a gate on the Goldfinch property and walked towards their house to "engage in biblical discussion".

    "As they did so a ram appeared and charged (Mr Hawthorn) to the ground and the ram continued the attack pushing him towards the fence," the court documents said.

    "At this time the defendants appeared and assisted (Mr Hawthorn) back into his car.

    Mr Hawthorn claims he now is able to walk only small distances and "his capacity to enjoy life has permanently diminished".

    In their defence, the Goldfinches said the Hawthorns entered their property "uninvited, unwanted and without notice".

    They said their hand-reared pet ram had never attacked anyone before nor had it shown a "violent disposition".

    In its own defence, The Adelaide congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses said doorknocking was voluntary and followers were not obliged to do it.

    Mr Goldfinch said yesterday he was glad the case was over but disappointed with the result.

    "We're just totally disappointed that they should have got anything," he said. "He walked into an area where he knew animals would have been, why should we pay."

    The ram, which was affectionately known as "Shit for brains", has since died.

    The Hawthorns declined to comment.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/

    This is the Australasian Legal Information Institute. They have case records. Type in Jehovahs, not witnesses, or you get a million records!

    M undercover posted Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:15:00 GMT(11/18/2009)

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    Hmmm.... did the WTS come to the legal aid of the individual JW? Even though the JW was representing the Society?

    teel posted Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:21:00 GMT(11/18/2009)

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    The Hawthorns also sued the Adelaide Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses for failing to provide proper instructions about doorknocking in rural areas.

    I can't imagine such action without serious reproval. Seeking out worldly justice against brothers is a big no-no, against the Society or part of it is much more so.

    The Adelaide congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses said doorknocking was voluntary and followers were not obliged to do it.

    Sure, just like everything is voluntary for them. Except if you don't do it you loose your family, your friends, your whole life goes down the drain, etc. But no pressure.

    F Saoirse posted Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:36:00 GMT(11/18/2009)

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    Despite a gate marked 'private - keep out', Mr Hawthorn entered a farm only to be confronted by a four-year-old ram.

    So the JW enters a private gate, trespasses on someone else's property and then sues the homeowners when a goat knocks him over? How very Christ-like of him!

    And I'm sorry but a broken shin is not that big of an injury. I can't see any reason why someone would have to sell a business over that. This just sounds like a money-grabbing, frivolous lawsuit to me. Those JW's should be ashamed of themselves. What in the world is going on in Australia that they actually awarded that clown money?

    F nelly136 posted Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:15:00 GMT(11/18/2009)

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    Despite a gate marked 'private - keep out', Mr Hawthorn entered a farm only to be confronted by a four-year-old ram.

    and yet the househlder got stuck with the damages costs whatever.

    sad for the householder who'd put the totally ignored 'keep out' notice

    great witness for the neighbourhood, that not only will jws ignore warning signs, they'll sue you for the pleasure of their harrassment that leaves them with contributory negligence injuries.

    EverSoGrateful posted Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:39:00 GMT(11/19/2009)

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    I have 2 no tresspassing signs 10 feet before you get to my door ... AND a private property sign there as well PLUS a noo soliciting on my door and yet they STILL come to my door.... OH and did you see how the congregation stood up for it's preachers out there???? It said it's VOLUNTARY!!!! HAHHAHAHA! If I was in a congregation still, I would print that off & carry it with me to all of the get togethers & share it with everyone.... see... you don't HAVE to go door to door! strictly volunteers! unbelievable!

    WuzLovesDubs posted Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:52:00 GMT(11/19/2009)

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    Gosh Blondie...who's the goat NOW? LOL

    F blondie posted Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:55:00 GMT(11/19/2009)

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    If they still come to the door, do you call the police? I would take down their license plate too in case they take off. I would send a certified letter to the local congregation, attention the body of elders. No good putting up signs if you don't get the police involved. They listen then. I have seen it.

    M JeffT posted Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:27:00 GMT(11/19/2009)

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    If I buy rural property again I'm going to follow the example of a friend and put up a sign: "Tresspassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again."

    finallysomepride posted Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:50:00 GMT(11/19/2009)

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    Dumb ars witnesses they should know that going onto a rural property with NO TRESSPASSING signs is a very serious matter, those are not nessssarily there to keep unwanted (jws) away but may serve to keep uninvited visitors safe, farms in general are not the safest places to be even for the invited. I should know I grew up on one.

    jam posted Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:54:00 GMT(11/20/2009)

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    most people feel uncomfortable in posting a sign No Jehovah,s Witnesses but this will

    stop them from knocking on your door..They beleive the No Trespassing signs are

    for people who solicits , school activites, funds for the homeless etc..It,s funny the only

    people that comes to your door today are JW. Wake up people the signs are for you.

    So you need to be specific.JW doooo noooot steeeep fooot ooon mmmy prooperty.

    NO JEHOVAH,S WITNESSES

    OUTLAW posted Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:02:00 GMT(11/20/2009)

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    Jehovah`s Witness`s always ignore signs..

    I watched them read the sign at my house..

    Then listened to them lie,about not seeing a sign..

    LOL!!..

    ..................... ...OUTLAW

    M AllTimeJeff posted Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:05:00 GMT(11/20/2009)

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    Lets see, JW's can't read signs on houses, nor evidentally any sign where Jesus said not to try and guess the day or hour. Outlaw is right, signs are not a JW strong suit.

    F parakeet posted Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:09:00 GMT(11/20/2009)

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    Judges must be fickle.

    One home owner wins a settlement when dubs trespass; the other loses when dubs trespass.

    True, there was a goat, but isn't there always a goat?

    M wha happened? posted Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:58:00 GMT(11/20/2009)

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    I need to repost my no trespassing sign. I saw a tract on my door recently

    M kurtbethel posted Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:44:00 GMT(11/20/2009)

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    DiStefano said the visit was an accident. Basiago was on a list of homeowners who had requested no visits, but officials in East Hanover Township assigned new addresses in the area and the list was not updated.

    So, Armageddon comes along, you have been a good dubbie, but you get destroyed anyway because these chuckleheads are incompetent at keeping their paperwork in order. Swell....

    die religious sucker!

    F BlackSwan of Memphis posted Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:51:00 GMT(11/20/2009)

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    I have a No Solicitation sign on my door and I still get people who solicit crap. The last time it happened, I tactfully pointed out the sign and the lady said I didn't see it.

    bs.

    People think, too often, they can completely ignore those things without penalty. Ridiculous.

    M mcsemike posted Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:26:00 GMT(11/22/2009)

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    Any judge who would award a trespasser damages should be put in prison. In many states, and here in Florida as well, if you trespass and enter a home or come close enough to the homeowner that he/she fears for his safety, you can be shot dead. And the trespasser's family is forbidden by law from suing for damages. If they do, they will be punished by the court. I would think that would make a few of them think twice.

    Perhaps JW's should ignore the WT and should go to college. They might finally learn to read so when there is a sign "NO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, NO EXCEPTIONS, YES THIS MEANS YOU" they will see it and leave people alone.

    EmptyInside posted Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:47:00 GMT(11/22/2009)

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    In the states, we are told to NOT go where this is a No Trespassing sign. And if we ignore it, we are responsible. And some publishers forget to write down do not calls, which I hate. Or they forget to tell the rest of the car group the do not calls on the street they are working.

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