People dont get disfellowshipped anymore

They are announced as no longer being one of jehovahs witnesses. Why then do people still shun them if they are not disfellowshipped. Witnesses talk to non jws all the time, so we should be allowed to talk to members who are announced as no longer one of jehovahs witnesses. They are not being announced as disfellowshipped.

i have no insider knowledge anymore but i suspect its to do with somthing legal. Possibly the DF'd person could sue if annoced as DF'd? But the R&F still understand what is to be done with them...!

They still shun because it is the same thing to them. The anouncment changed for legal reasons. I have no proff of this but it makes since, they can tell governments that "we don't kick people out, they leave on their own." But to the R&F the result is the same. 

Go to this Sunday's WT study.  "Be Obedient and Courageous as Christ Was"

DF is discussed.

Announcing that someone "is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses" is code for "you must shun this person" to every JW in attendance.  There is no admission of Judicial™ action (DFing) and the larger insinuation is that the individual left voluntarily (DAd) and therefore is to be viewed as an Apostate™.

It doesn't make any difference what is announced from the platform; IF you are Dis-fellowshipped you are shunned, IF you Dis-associate yourself you are shunned.

The elders also make sure, in 'discrete' conversations, that everybody knows the exact situation to ensure that happens.

fokyc

I think it's more clever than that.  This is getting them used to shunning people who are "no longer JWs" so they will end up also shunning ones who just fade without a DF or DA.  Evil bastards.

Jehovah's Witnesses are still shunned. They used to call it "disfellowshipping". For legal reasons, they simply say that so and so is no longer a JW.

Don't fall for their bait and swich code words. Shunning is the key, regardless of what they want to call it. Scientologists call their version of shunning "disconnecting". Big deal, its still the same, shunning over made up reasons to keep control over their little flock of indoctrinated followers.

foolsparadise, you bring up a good point...never thought of it that way.  To JWs...its all the same, you're disfellowshipped.  Even if its for legal reason, they should say what they mean. The announcement in its current form at face value simply means the person has decided to change their religion...and we all know there's nothing wrong with that

So does anyone know of a witness who has been reprimanded for continuing to speak to someone who is "no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses?" - arguing that the announcement said nothing about being disfellowshipped?

"So-and-so has been disfellowshipped for conduct unbecoming a Christian." How many of us remember that?

How many remember the years when an unbaptized publisher who got involved in wrongdoing was "marked" and treated the same as disfellowshipped, even though they had never been dunked?

It's all semantics. The wording is changed for legal reasons and so they don't sound like a cult. But everything really is the same, because they are a cult.

"Witnesses talk to non jws all the time, so we should be allowed to talk to members who are announced as no longer one of jehovahs witnesses. They are not being announced as disfellowshipped."

Of course that's true. However, if the dubs see you publicly talking to someone that is "announced as no longer being one of jehovahs witnesses", guess what happens? You get "announced as no longer being one of jehovahs witnesses".

I know that since I left no announcment has be made I don't think... but my FAMILY sure does SHUN ME. Ani't it good I guess when I die the Money I have will have to go to some good charity.

In theory, you're right, foolsparadise. But we all know it's still code for shunning.

My no longer being a JW was never announced at the kingdom hall (officially I'm out after signing a form long time ago) but I'm shunned in any case. They know. Only a few members of the congregation say hello... some time ago a couple of pioneers even switched (in an illegal way) to the other side of the street in the city when they saw me coming.

Has the Watchtower ceased using the word 'disfellowship' in its literature? I remember it fequently being used when I was in (left in 07)

It is still called disfellowshipping or disassociating if you leave on your own accord. The result is still the same, no contact with other witnesses even family ,unless there is an emergency. The announcement is benign for legal reasons, and IMO to make the congregation think the worst of the person. It all load of controlling measures to keep the rank and file from finding the Truth about the Troof.

my experience with the whole thing is, not that anybody is being "disciplined" and all hope that they "turn around"and return to the fold. My experience is that the real agenda is "he's not one of us. Maybe if we ignore him he will go away altogether."

Yeah, no more disfellowshipping as I understand it.

When my father (who's an elder) announced that they were formally shunning me, he also begged me to "formally dissasociate" myself from the org.

I said, "why, I'll just let em DF me". He stated that policy had changed......then begged me again to DA. Seeing how pissed he was that I wasn't going to do that.....has given me a nice warm feeling all over, & renewed my enthusiasm for kicking the org in the bag.

r.

Yeah, no more disfellowshipping as I understand it.

Could it be an attempt by WT Legal to assimilate into Russia?  The Russian government does not like the WTS because of its disfellowshipping and shunning.  

Remember that WT/Awake! over the summer about the right of everyone to change their religion without consequences from thier community?  I understand that this magazine was written just for the WTS Legal Department to use as a handout at a "worldly" conference of Russian/government leaders in Russia.

Could it be an attempt to get around coercion and the blood issue?

Hmmmm.  Interesting development, me thinks.

Skeeter

I remember they made the announcemnet about changing how they would in future announce a person to be DF ( Feburary/March this year...?).

"So an so is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses"- so it would not be formally made public whether the person DA'd or was DF'd-( like there is a difference in how you are taught there how to treat So&so........)

The lady I was studing with was very quick to tell me that is very rarely that a person is DF'd and not be too concerned about it, "it is for their own good, truley".... (What a load of CRAP!)