Beginning on JWN

I left the JWs three years ago after having done extensive research through the internet where fortunately one can find an enormous amount of information regarding every aspect of the JWs it's simply amazing how many websites there are exposing their real nature. Though in the end I don't blame so much the rank and file members who are themselves naive and ignorant victims, rather I blame those governing this organisation who are constantly and ruthlessly deceiving and holding captive in a spiritual sense their hapless followers.

I  had several issues with them:

 The blood ban goes too much against common sense why would it be wrong to accept blood from someone that willing gives it and without any coercion or harm to himself precisely out of good kindness with the intention to save lives as indeed millions of lives were saved in this way. Now why God would be opposed to this is something beyond all rational understanding and like so many other JW concepts it creates the wrong impression about God as an irrational  tyrant and certainly sends out the wrong message about him.  All the more so when one considers that even small children were doomed to an early death due to this insane doctrine.

There is also the extreme arrogance of those leaders who call themselves the faithful and discreet slave but are in fact totally faithless and indiscreet and  certainly not humble slaves since they misrepresent the God they pretend to serve creating an oppressive image for him because that suits their mind control purposes.  A handful of people who claim that they have a monopoly of divine revelation, that no one has the right to criticise their ideas or claim having received any revelation or inspiration but who themselves can never get anything right since they are  for ever changing their doctrines. There is clearly something very satanic about this extraordinary arrogance. Even the anointed JWs (as they perceive them) are out cold, they were stripped of all power to decide anything in this so called true religion.

And there were other serious issues, the extreme shunning policy and the destruction of families and friendships, the separation of the JWs into two classes with one class who make up the vast majority banned from being part of the new covenant and therefore adopted children of God anointed with the Holy Spirit, the gross lack of charitable works by the supposedly true religion and a fabulously rich one at that, the cooperation with what they call the satanic babylonish religions such as the Hare Krishnas and the scientologists in order to save money from taxation or the Malawi - Mexico fiddle again for the sake of the god of mamon (wealth), the lies about the so called end and them being the means to survive that end, the indisputable occultic demonic connections of this religion at least up to the death of Rutherford such as the publishing of a book with the sayings of a demon to a medium woman etc etc I could go on writing a post too long for people to bother reading, the whole list of objections and their detailed analysis.

Of course there is no point in preaching to bring people in a dreary place like this but then they relegate you to a second or third rate member since you don't preach and since you find this behaviour offensive you tear up all cooperation, dump them and leave. It's totally pointless staying on because they will never listen to any suggestions on how to improve but will rather swiftly expel you as an apostate who committed the dreadful offense of trying to run ahead of the FDS, profanely invading his inner sanctum of doctrinal monopoly.

All in all what we have here is the weaving of an elaborate deception sustained by constant, extensive and ruthless lying by a group of abominable men whose conscience was singed beyond all sensitivity and who will not hesitate to even misrepresent God to attain their objectives.

And since they say that us apostates are accursed and due to be cut off from all future life by a wrathful god because we despised his saintly representatives, how wonderfully rhetoric, I finish by sending you greetings from the gloomy land of the accursed and hope to have a lot of interesting exchanges with you in the future and enjoy bashing this hideous and unrepentant beast. One among many that in recent times rose up to claim that they were chosen by God as his sole reps on earth.

Thunderinus

Welcome to the board Thunderinus!

Very nice first post.

Glad to have you here with us.

Hope to hear more about you and from you in the near future.

                                                                                                                            Regards,

                                                                                                                            StoneWall

Welcome to the site!  Great first post.

Bravo----we are all behind you!

Welcome Thunderinus and thank you for a fabulous first post.  I personally am a victim of the WTS extreme shunning policy which destroys families.

Looking forward to reading more of your posts.

All the best

Hopscotch (fellow accursed apostate)

Thunderinus, That was okay for a "newbie" first post, but you forgot to mention Watchtower Corporation's embarassing false prophecies. This is a rather careless omission and I hope you do better in your future posts...

Just kidding, I'm a kidder.  Welcome. Very well expressed.  Good to have you here.

B the X

Welcome to the forum Thunderinus and nicely written introductory post.  

The WTS started illicitly devised and corrupt and it has continued in this form for decades.

Power in the hands of the ignorant and corrupt is never a good thing 

Welcome!

Yes, cool post.

I agree, the WT is Satanic, the evidence is quite clear as you have pointed out.

Now why God would be opposed to this is something beyond all rational understanding and like so many other JW concepts it creates the wrong impression about God as an irrational  tyrant and certainly sends out the wrong message about him.  All the more so when one considers that even small children were doomed to an early death due to this insane doctrine.

There is also the extreme arrogance of those leaders who call themselves the faithful and discreet slave but are in fact totally faithless and indiscreet and  certainly not humble slaves since they misrepresent the God they pretend to serve creating an oppressive image for him because that suits their mind control purposes.  A handful of people who claim that they have a monopoly of divine revelation, that no one has the right to criticise their ideas or claim having received any revelation or inspiration but who themselves can never get anything right since they are  for ever changing their doctrines. There is clearly something very satanic about this extraordinary arrogance.

And there were other serious issues, the extreme shunning policy and the destruction of families and friendships, the separation of the JWs into two classes with one class who make up the vast majority banned from being part of the new covenant and therefore adopted children of God anointed with the Holy Spirit, the gross lack of charitable works by the supposedly true religion and a fabulously rich one at that, the cooperation with what they call the satanic babylonish religions such as the Hare Krishnas and the scientologists in order to save money from taxation or the Malawi - Mexico fiddle again for the sake of the god of mamon (wealth), the lies about the so called end and them being the means to survive that end, the indisputable occultic demonic connections of this religion at least up to the death of Rutherford such as the publishing of a book with the sayings of a demon to a medium woman etc etc I could go on writing a post too long for people to bother reading, the whole list of objections and their detailed analysis.

All in all what we have here is the weaving of an elaborate deception sustained by constant, extensive and ruthless lying by a group of abominable men whose conscience was singed beyond all sensitivity and who will not hesitate to even misrepresent God to attain their objectives.

Jesus points out all their hallmarks and also the hope that He brings (the real Jesus, not the counterfeit WT one)

John 10:10 (New International Version)

Blessings,

Stephen

G'day and Welcome to the board. Be careful with that post you may stumble some

Thanks StoneWall, Song19, Joshnaz, Hopscotch, Billy the Ex Bethelite and Almighty Homer and Chalam for the warm welcome.

Hopscotch, unfortunately the shunning policy has destroyed numerous families but it is one of those actions that puts the JWs firmly on the side of the cults, obviously no truly Christian leaders would ever think of creating such havoc in tens of thousands of families. It was not originally the case but as time progressed the leaders of this cult introduced ever more deviant and destructive rules and ideas. At least in the case of the dissenters the shunning policy is clearly a mechanism to protect the position of the leaders, they must have at their disposal the means to swiftly and painfully punish in order to sustain control. Their whole ideology is so faulty and dishonest that it will quickly fall apart if criticism is allowed to go unchecked yet they always, always manage to find and distort and misinterpret biblical verses regarding any point of contention in a way that makes their ideas appear valid at least to the naive as most of their followers are. And this also happens with the shunning policy. The apostle Paul himself never expelled from the church those that were criticising him personally.

 Bill, obviously the prophecies of the end failed consistently and what surprises me is that they continued to have full credibility in the eyes of so many of their followers. They danced around so much with the 1914 generation to the limit and in 1995 they dumped the idea, since the generation was virtually gone by then, without ever apologising for having messed up so many lives through this false prophecy, no university education, no pension schemes, no careers, a lot of oppressive apprehension because the horribly vindictive end is so near.

Almighty Homer, surely this is a corrupt organisation but let's not forget those who run it believe they have some kind of private ownership over it, someone had to invest money to set it up therefore he and his successors after him are basically the owners with legal rights over it. Of course they say this is God's own organisation to entice people into it but in reality treat it as if it is to all intents and purposes their own private property that they can run as they see fit without any interference from outsiders ie non owners. But you either believe something or you don't, this either is or isn't God's organisation, it can't be both.

Chalam, yes they are obviously the proverbial thieves and impostors since they have no real love in their heart for the flock. They always have plenty of advice to give and suggestions to make but never any practical help to offer. The true Christ is still to come.

Thunderinus

Thunderinus, was joking that you may stumble some! Don't want u thinking I was serious LOL

You covered many areas. Did you read COC?? Take Care Dude um or Dudess LOL

Thunderinus Welcome to the board.

Sounds like you have(had) more brains than me
cos I had to get the left foot of fellowship for me
to find out it was a lie.They kicked me out
cos I couldnt say I believed Jesus came in 1914
INVISABLY of course....
Great to have you aboard.

http://exjw.weebly.com/  Granny/Mouthy/Grace

Hey Thunderinus,

Welcome to the board.  It's always great to hear from people who have had their awakening as a result of doing good old fashioned research.

It gives one hope that soon all the thoughtful JWs will become ex-JWs.

Thanks for your post!

The Oracle

Thankfully for the inter-net , JWS are starting to do some of their own research on the WTS. and they are finding out things that they were

 never aware of, most notably that it was devised and orchestrated by devious men wanting and seeking power, power which they created for themselves,

 power which they held on to....... religiously.

" The Truth " does good for the soul 

Thunderinus welcome! I hope you measured the Pyramids to make sure this is the correct exjw site to be on!

  THUNDERINUS-  Absolutely incredible first post ! You put thoughts in writing very well !  I totally agree with all your thoughts. Welcome to the board and I look forward to your future posts and threads. Take care and please know you are among unconditional friends here. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

Rereading Thunderinus's post reminds me of the fact that the WTS bought the power of god for themselves and have played with it now for almost 100 years.

Who says money cant buy everything  ?

Hi Thunderinus, Look forward to hearing more from you.

Welcome, and WOW, just WOW!

what you say about the blood issue, I always had major misgivings. - even as a baptized witness, I did not carry a card, nor did I allow my kids to carry blood cards at school or anywhere.

- i told my ex this weekend that if anything ever had happened to my kids whilst I was a witness, I would not have prevented blood transfusions. he said what even if they died from the blood? - I just said they tell you that to scare you id do everything I could.

No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his soul in behalf of his friends.John 15:13 NWT one could interpret that blood is life thereby you should give blood. -- its all so ambiguous.