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Questions From Readers--Watchtower "Summer Edition", 2019

    sd-7 Questions From Readers--Watchtower "Summer Edition", 2019 posted Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:28:00 GMT (11/6/2009) edit



    Post 94 of 103
    Since 7/31/2009

    "How do Jehovah's Witnesses view disfellowshipped ones?

    Previously, this journal has detailed, from the Bible's viewpoint, how unrepentant sinners should be viewed*[*Footnote See also "How To Treated Disfellowshipped Ones" in the Appendix of the book "Keep Yourselves in God's Love", published by Jehovah's Witnesses].  Unlike apostate Christendom, which unrepentantly excuses the gross sins of its members, true Christians follow the scriptural admontion found in 1 Corinthians 5:11: "Remove the wicked man from among yourselves." 

    How far should this removal go?  Is it sufficient for Christians to, as 2 John 9-11 points out, "never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him"?  Or is more required in order to truly comply with Jehovah God's requirements?  In ancient Israel, Jehovah made clear that strong action was necessary to remove wickedness, even authorizing the putting of such wrongdoers to death.  This requirement was binding upon all Israelites--even members of the wrongdoer's family had to take decisive measures to make certain Jehovah's holy standards were upheld.  (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)  Thus the sanctity of pure worship was upheld. 

    What of today?  In this time of the end, how much more so is there a vital need for spiritual and moral cleanness in the congregation!  With the end of this wicked system of things rapidly approaching, Satan is doing all he can to infect the Christian congregation with the spirit of the world.  (Ephesians 2:2)  As "wicked men and impostors advance from bad to worse", the danger of apostate influences poses a continuing threat to Jehovah's clean people.  (2 Timothy 3:13)  If we want to remain unspotted from the world, we must be willing to go as far as Jehovah requires of us, just as we would want to comply fully with the requirements of secular authorities.  (Matthew 5:41)  Jehovah's authority far excedes that of any human, and his laws and standards are what is best for all of us.  (Isaiah 55:8, 9)

    Jesus foretold that, due to declining moral standards, Jehovah's people would be required to zealously defend his name from those in the congregation who would defame it: "Brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child, and children will rise up against parents and will have them put to death."  (Matthew 10:21)  For failure to humbly obey the instructions given through the "faithful and discreet slave" class, the joint heirs of Jesus Christ, sadly some who once remained loyal to Jehovah's organization will face destruction.  (Matthew 25:45, 46)  However, since Christ Jesus has appointed the slave class over all his belongings, he has also given that slave class full authority to carry out his wishes.  Certainly those wishes include the complete removal of any who refuse to submit to Jehovah's sovereignty.

    In order to do so, congregation elders must to bear in mind the apostle Paul's words: "Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside?" (1 Corinthians 5:12, 13)  Thus, although the laws of the land in which we live may suggest that we can only take action against apostates and other wicked ones in the congregation to a certain extent, the Bible makes clear that it is the responsibility of spirit-appointed overseers to judge and eliminate all who behave in a matter that guarantees they will not inherit God's Kingdom.  (1 Corinthians 6:9, 10)  Necessary judicial action against unrepentant wrongdoers, then, may therefore include putting them to death, thus keeping Jehovah's organization free of satanic influence. 

    Though this may prove difficult for some, let us bear in mind that those appointed by holy spirit face grave consequences if they fail to carry out Jehovah's divine orders.  (James 3:1)  Of course, this requires the loyal cooperation of all of Jehovah's servants, as any who fail to report grave sins will face the same discipline, just as Jehovah commanded in ancient times.  (Leviticus 5:1)  We can be greatly comforted by the fact that Jehovah has provided a loving, worldwide brotherhood, which will surely replace any of our former loved ones who chose to follow a wayward course.  (Luke 18:29, 30)  Let us be zealous for pure worship and thoroughly cleanse Jehovah's house, skillfully using "the weapons of the light" that the faithful slave has provided, as the final hours of this system of things draw to an end.  (Romans 13:11, 12)"

     

    ...This article, thankfully, is a work of fiction.  Now, the question is, how many JWs would believe this article and do as it instructed?  If the answer is obvious, then no one needs to ask whether or not Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult that uses mind control.  Clearly it was all a matter of taking verses out of their context, but that's nothing new, right?  I believe it's all a matter of what kind of leadership is currently at the top.  If the wrong crackpot gets there, one of these articles could come down the pipes one day.  Of course, there's just too much money and power involved to waste time satisfying bloodlust.  ...  Right?  Well, I sure hope so. 

    I know, it was pretty extreme, but I tried my hand at it because I asked myself, if I were the Society, how would I get my followers to do something like this?  It'd take a bit of preparing them before such an article were released--maybe a few study articles highlighting zealous servants of Jehovah like Phinehas, the fellow who impaled a couple through certain...parts of theirs, or maybe Joshua, who sought out and stoned Achan and his entire family for theft.  Etc., etc.  Then, they could drop the hammer.  I know this one will create some fires, but perhaps I was going for shock value, after all.  Fire away.

    SD-7

    highdose Re: Questions From Readers--Watchtower "Summer Edition", 2019 posted Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:32:00 GMT (11/6/2009) edit



    Post 310 of 368
    Since 6/6/2009

    i think you just demostrated very well how the mind control works. Trouble is ... this could really happen, it would be so easy

    and that scares me!

    lepermessiah Re: Questions From Readers--Watchtower "Summer Edition", 2019 posted Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:13:00 GMT (11/6/2009) edit



    Post 148 of 155
    Since 8/26/2009

    Here is the photo that would accompany the article:

     

    Caption: True Christians follow the Bible's admonition: "Remove the wicked man from among yourselves."

    sd-7 Re: Questions From Readers--Watchtower "Summer Edition", 2019 posted Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:53:00 GMT (11/6/2009) edit



    Post 95 of 103
    Since 7/31/2009

    I do believe we've got ourselves a right-wing Writing Committee in the making here, lepermessiah!  I'm actually starting to get creeped out by the thought myself, because it could be such an easy transition.  I'm hoping to keep an eye out just in case, you know?  It's unlikely, but...when you learn how mind control works, it makes you kind of paranoid. 

    SD-7

    freddo Re: Questions From Readers--Watchtower "Summer Edition", 2019 posted Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:15:00 GMT (11/6/2009) edit



    Post 47 of 54
    Since 5/13/2009

     

    Blind PS to the body of elders

    ... If the accused does not voice his intention to appeal within seven days he should be immediately frog-marched into the kingdom hall parking lot and tied to a stake* (not a cross) that is kept there for such a purpose. It would be fitting if a firing squad made up of his accusers and the judicial committee were to carry out the sentence.

    * (this stake should be put into the ground under the direction of the local regional building committee as health and safety and consequential insurance issues my arise if not carried out "decently and by arrangement". At no time should the Society or its' officers be mentioned in reaching your decision or executing it.)

    May Jehovah bless you in your service,

     

    Your brothers

     

    WTB&TS

    Billy the Ex-Bethelite Re: Questions From Readers--Watchtower "Summer Edition", 2019 posted Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:26:00 GMT (11/6/2009) edit


    Virgin Islands (U.S.)

    Post 2158 of 2277
    Since 11/29/2007

    Of course, there is that risk that there may be someone innocent that is ultra-disfellowshipped. But no worries for the dearly departed, because they will be resurrected very soon and are already still alive in Jehovah's memory... and isn't that the very best place to be?

    sd-7 Re: Questions From Readers--Watchtower "Summer Edition", 2019 posted Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:12:00 GMT (11/6/2009) edit



    Post 97 of 103
    Since 7/31/2009

    freddo--That is totally dead-on.  Obviously there would be additional procedures accompanying this sort of thing--heck, they might need to write a new book for that, elders' eyes only.

    Billy the Ex-Bethelite--Also an excellent addendum.  I still can't believe I didn't see it all before...

    SD-7

    Mad Sweeney Re: Questions From Readers--Watchtower "Summer Edition", 2019 posted Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:54:00 GMT (11/6/2009) edit



    Post 14 of 34
    Since 11/2/2009

    2019?!?  The thought of the WTS still being in existence in 2019 is a bit sickening.

    I'm laying the groundwork for a fade that better be complete by 2014 or I will be among those begging to be shot.

    WTWizard Re: Questions From Readers--Watchtower "Summer Edition", 2019 posted Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:49:00 GMT (11/7/2009) edit




    Post 8988 of 9102
    Since 5/10/2007

    And that doesn't include the possibility of being physically and forcibly dragged back to the Kingdumb Hell.  All it takes is one "brother" that thinks you ought to adhere to the most exemplary standards, and not be allowed any way out--or one that wants to directly control you in his mini cult (along with the bigger cult)--and just that could happen as well.

    kurtbethel Re: Questions From Readers--Watchtower "Summer Edition", 2019 posted Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:54:00 GMT (11/8/2009) edit


    United States California

    Post 1863 of 1909
    Since 5/20/2007

    Denying innocent children medical treatment unto death is already past the line drawn in this fictional article.

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