I told my wife I will start pioneering next month ...

... if she will prove me from the Bible accuracy of 1914. And I stressed I really mean it.

We had one of the usual evening discussions and this was the result.

She said she is not ready for this and must do some preparation and aditional study (which is funny for somebody raised up in a hard-core JW family, baptized over 25 years, who spent over a decade in regular pioneering, reads WT for hours every week and have brought several people into JW cult...)

But OK, she pulled out several publications and is doing her preparation now and tonight we will have the discussion.

To motivate her I told her:

1) If you will be succesfull I will go to preach to everybody in our street about 1914/607 during my pioneering

2) You will be the first one in the world, so probably you will become famous...

So friends, keep your fingers crossed for me tonight....

Albert

Good luck...lol!

do you actually QUALIFY?!!! The standards are so unreachably high, your persoanal value must be so impeccable and above ANY suggestion of reproach, it's a wonder that there are ANY pioneers. Are you truly EXEMPLARY? Is there anything that you can think of that might disqualify you from pioneering and being the tower of strength that the weak ones in the congregation can all look up to?  hmmm?

Don't do it ! It's a JW trap .......thats the new way to motivate pioneering

do you actually QUALIFY?!!!

I hope so....  in past 5 months I was 3 times at a meeting (just for the talk) and didnt report field service just for a year...

What do you think... Do I???

Albert

Good luck Alberto ,

With the pioneering !

I am sure your good lady  will be able to prove it to you, just like the different Elders and Dubs I have asked to prove the special choosing by Jesus of the FDS in 1919.

OOPS ! NONE of them have come back to me !

Love

Wobble

I bet your wife will count the return visit and study that she's conducting with you. You...you UNBELIEVER!

You're lucky.

My JWs don't accept my challenges.

Good luck

Chris

I am sure your good lady  will be able to prove it to you, just like the different Elders and Dubs I have asked to prove the special choosing by Jesus of the FDS in 1919.

I asked an elder from my wife's congo this question and he has not called me or spoken to me since.....I must be labeled.....not sure.

I mean this in all sincerity, but she really is slightly delusional. With your record, does she SERIOUSLY even think you could pioneer? I'm surprised she is jumping through the hoops!!! Good luck!!! Can't wait to hear how it goes.

So friends, keep your fingers crossed for me tonight....

Albert

Sitting here with fingers, eyes,legs,ALL crossed Lets see if that helps

Did you set up any ground rules?  To me I think that she will just quote the scriptures and tell you what they mean.  She'll quote the 70 years of desolation, use 537 as the starting date to bring you to 607 BCE.  Then she'll use the scripture about 7 days of years, then the "Day is as a thousand years" thing to move it to 1914.  Then when you question it she'll do the "I've shown you from the scriptures how it's gotten".

Tuesday - you forgot the 'no year zero' rule!

I agree with Tuesday in that they will do just enough 'research' to satisfy themselves (which isn't much) and believe that you are not being a teachable student and leaning too much 'on your own understanding.'

AE

That is a great sucker bet! You don't qualify as a pioneer, and there is no evidence of 607 BCE at all!

The challenge for her is to ask for just one scholarly source who isn't a JW (and not a pyramidologist) who will substantiate the 607 date. Just one. That will send her outside of the SI book and Insight Volumes...

Tuesday, Garyneal,

the important point is - my wife is not fanatic,  and is very open to discussion. She see many wrong things in the org and is open. We had so many deep discussions about 1914, Rutherford, generation, blood, alternative service (I almost got in príson years ago because of the stupid GB position...) I think she knows she cannot win, but just want  to do "the deep reasearch evening on 1914". If she will outloudly admit JWs are wrong on 1914 I dont know... Till now she often concludes our discussions with some ridiculous statements like: "It must be the Truth, because nobody else makes such nice magazines... " (yesterday...)

Me pioneering? Technically it would be propbably impossible now, but was a bet - strong statement to show how sure Iam on the subject and she accepted the challenge.

Albert

Good luck again Albert !

Another Elder who I asked to prove 1914 from the Bible referred me to Daniel Chapter 4 ,the  "seven times " , and I said  "but it just is not there ! 

If God was making some great prophecy about the end of the gentile Times, surely he would have put a clue in the chapter ,like he did with the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 ?"

that Elder never came back to me either.

Love

Wobble

Not only will she need to prove 1914, but also 607 BCE ... not a simple task for even the most studious JW.  

The best line to get a JW thinking is to say "Help me understand ..." and they will actually take the bait.

UPDATE:

OK, So I will not pioneer next month ...

We had the discussion last night, my wife got Insights, I got bunch of documents from old WT publications how 1914/607 have developed and my wife sincerely admitted, that its all interesting and 1914 probably isnt right... "Well after all its not really importatnt, because we do not preach 1914 t pepople´s door..."

And she concluded: "But I cant help myself it must be the truth, because nobody else makes such nice magazines..."

But I must say, she does great progress, today she admits most WT teachings/policies are wrong ... the last points to deal with are:

• JW have conventions
• JW make the best magazines
• JW have meetings where I feel good

Well its not easy to deal with these points...

Albert

 because nobody else makes such nice magazines..." 

Now THERE's a reason to join a religion.