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    rebel8 Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:15:00 GMT (7/24/2009) edit


    United States New York

    Post 6861 of 7385
    Since 1/13/2005

    So we already have this thread which has separate actions for next month: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/179142/2/Make-August-2009-the-dawn-of-the-mass-exodus-the-beginning-of-the-end-of-the-Watchtower-org

    I don't intend to discourage anyone from participating in that.  Those actions are meant to educate current jws (help people leave).  I suggest the following actions, mainly intended to educate the public (prevent people from joining the cult).

    1. Stop financial support permanently-August 2009
    2. Fade-August 2009
    3. Other actions suggested in the other thread-August 2009
    4. Write letters or emails to other dubs about false teachings/scandals, with copies of proof (can be done anonymously)-Now through October 2009
    5. Mass writing letters to hq--with a goal of 1 million letters arriving within the same week (emphasizing pain caused by false teachings, abuse, shunning, or New Light) -see below for time frame
    6. Mass writing letters to editors--with a goal of every newspaper printing at least one, simultaneously-see below for time frame
    7. Mass mailing to anesthesiologists and other physicians (download from ajwrb.org)--with a goal of every physician who transfuses blood to receive education about how to handle jws, simultaneously-see below for time frame
    8. Mass mailing of educational materials (download from silentlambs.org)--with a goal of every child abuse clinic to receive education about abuse in the jw cult, simultaneously-see below for time frame
    9. Additional ideas-please suggest

    Notes:

    #4-isaacaustin said he would do a mass emailing-I think he means to jws-pm him if interested.

    #9 Freedom Fighter suggested writing to stadiums rented for assemblies and would like feedback on that idea.

    DT suggested starting blogs.  There are many already, but what if 100 new counter-jw blogs popped up during the same week there were letters to the editor, materials sent to physicians and child abuse clinics, etc.?  Free, anonymous publicity!

    Timing-publicity could be maximized if a bunch of stuff happened at once.  We would need to set a specific week to do this.  How about at the beginning of December when people are getting ready to celebrate holidays?

    Letters to the editor-these are more likely to be published if they are in response to a news story they already ran.  You should also keep them short-usually the newspaper has limits of 250 words or so.  And it should be making one main point, which is stated in the first paragraph (studies show people don't read past the first sentence/paragraph if it doesn't catch their interest).  One point-jws shun and that's hurtful, or whatever.  One point!  Also most do not allow anonymous letters unless you have a really good reason, so you'll have to plead your case strongly (don't want to be shunned or whatever).

     

    cameo-d Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:28:00 GMT (7/24/2009) edit




    Post 4142 of 6235
    Since 7/30/2008

    Rebel 8...you have some good ideas going. There is only one idea here which is a real strike against it:

    "How about at the beginning of December when people are getting ready to celebrate holidays?"

     

    I would think this should be done well in advance of holidays.

    #1...holidays slow down the mail and it may not arrive until closer to xmas.

    #2. The closer to xmas it arrives, the less anyone is going to give it attention. Their minds are on decorating, shopping, and parties. They will not let things like that cloud their celebrations.

     

    Just my 2 cents.

    Gayle Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:59:00 GMT (7/24/2009) edit


    United States Arizona

    Post 913 of 1765
    Since 11/17/2006

    Could we get some recommended email addresses and post office addresses listed somewhere here for us?  Some target ones, like Governing Body individuals, Bethelites, newspapers (for email or postal) ,,emails of any known elders, pioneers, any JWs of any sort.  It would make it easy for some of us to chime in.  Thanks.

    BorgHater Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:10:00 GMT (7/24/2009) edit




    Post 43 of 182
    Since 6/22/2009

    Sending info to child abuse clinics is an excellent idea

    Gayle Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:17:00 GMT (7/24/2009) edit


    United States Arizona

    Post 915 of 1765
    Since 11/17/2006

    I just went to "yellowpages.com" and got all the Kingdom Hall addresses in Arizona - 76  

    Mickey mouse Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:42:00 GMT (7/24/2009) edit




    Post 1676 of 2828
    Since 12/11/2007

    Sounds great.

    AuntBee Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:11:00 GMT (7/24/2009) edit


    United States

    Post 115 of 251
    Since 5/27/2008

    Gayle - what are you  sending to KH's?  Do you think the person assigned to open the mail is usually alone?

    DT Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:33:00 GMT (7/24/2009) edit


    United States Minnesota

    Post 530 of 597
    Since 11/14/2007

    I just started a community blog. http://jehovahswitnessesblog.blogspot.com/  Please PM me if you want to become a contributer. This is a little easier than starting your own blog. People who already have a site or blog are also invited. They can use this to promote their existing site.

    reniaa Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:40:00 GMT (7/24/2009) edit


    United Kingdom England, East Riding of Yorkshire

    Post 2075 of 2397
    Since 3/11/2008

    Here is the proof that all the wt says on apostates is true!!!!

    sad people just want to comfort each other? Nope active apostates that want to act detrimentally towards the witnesses very actively as this thread proves without doubt!

    Reniaa

    BizzyBee Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:42:00 GMT (7/24/2009) edit


    United States California

    Post 4167 of 5956
    Since 1/9/2006

    OK - Reniaa, you bring the muffins.

    freedomisntfree Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:00:00 GMT (7/24/2009) edit




    Post 47 of 180
    Since 7/14/2009

    Im anti cults in general and I would agree that the wts hurts people people who stay in and leave BUUUUTTT we live in a society that is increasingly indifferent to what people want to do or choose to believe.So untill groups like the wts are hurting society in general more then just waking them up early on a saterday morning i dont think much will be done.

    Gayle Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:56:00 GMT (7/24/2009) edit


    United States Arizona

    Post 917 of 1765
    Since 11/17/2006

    Yes,,probably it would only be one person, probably the PO or CO or an elder.  I don't expect it would get beyond that.  However, there are individual elders re-evaluating,,it does happen, I know several in the past that used to be elders. 

    I know some hope for a 'mass exodus' some day.  However, in the mid-80s many of us hoped that too.  Many wrote some government officials, and my brother did get a letter responding from Jon Kyl, Arizona Member of Congress, no opinion but a thank you.  We (anonymously) even sent all the elders in the congregation (to their own home) a "Crises of Conscience" book each.  We also sent one to Michael Jackson.  We got no response but it wasn't returned either.  Also, in '87 we had a huge gathering at a convention room at a hotel in Metrocenter, Phoenix.  of ex-JWs, including Ray Franz, James Penton, Ed Dunlap, Ron Frye and several others.    The television came out to film the group and did a news on that.  A talkradio show was done that same weekend.  My dad and brother had a huge full page article in the Phoenix Gazette then. Also, a couple of other ex-JWs, one who comes on this site here a lot had a huge article on him as an ex-JW.  (I will scan some of these articles to send if you wish.) 

    I had hoped for a huge impact with all leaving then, with Ray's book and other books that the organization would be effected.  But it didn't seem to.  The organization grew ('75 a little over 2 million, now over 7 million) and was buying dozens of high end Brooklyn property).   Was discouraging.  It would have been so great to have the Internet then and YouTube.   I, my siblings and our dad moved on with our lives, but not truly forgetting our past JW lives.

    Of course, things seem to be different for the Watchtower now.  Seems to be many factors/circumstances.  Internet and YouTube are great.  I am hopeful again.  I cannot dare hope for a 'mass exodus' yet but I am 'watching' and willing to send letters again and emails.  (Any who have addresses or emails for me, please PM me.)

     

    BizzyBee Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:16:00 GMT (7/25/2009) edit


    United States California

    Post 4172 of 5956
    Since 1/9/2006

    Nope active apostates that want to act detrimentally towards the witnesses very actively as this thread proves without doubt!

     

    Correction:  I don't believe that ex-JWs here are against Jehovah's Witnesses.  They are against the WTS.  Huge difference.  

    BTW:  I think Rebel has some great ideas and I may find a way to be involved.  In the meantime, while there are a thousand reasons that this will be difficult and may not succeed, why not keep the dialogue to constructive and positive thoughts about this effort?

    WTWizard Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Sat, 25 Jul 2009 05:22:00 GMT (7/25/2009) edit




    Post 8211 of 10685
    Since 5/10/2007

    Regardless of the effectiveness, if everyone would at least stop supporting the Washtowel Slaveholdery totally during August, it would make a difference.  And everyone can do that, regardless of whether we have computers, connections to newspapers, or are willing to risk sending letters to editors.  The laziest person on the planet can stop going to all boasting sessions, not go out in field circus or turn in a time slip, and refrain from donating any money during the month of August, and especially starting August 24.

    And that will be effective in putting a dent in their means of sustenance--empty Kingdumb Hells, empty Worldwide Pedophile Defense Fund boxes, and no-shows for field circus will discourage those taking the lead within the congregations.  And, if they are not making any money, sooner or later the Kingdumb Hells will have to operate without electricity--further discouraging those from attending.  And pretty soon that will make it into the news, as they see those ugly structures getting sold off en masse because they are not making enough to pay their bills.

    rebel8 Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:52:00 GMT (7/25/2009) edit


    United States New York

    Post 6864 of 7385
    Since 1/13/2005

    Gayle:  Your suggestion to post mailing addresses of individuals cannot be carried out on this forum. 

    Personally I feel contacting individual jws/KHs is much less effective than contacting newspapers and a major letter writing campaign to headquarters (which could garner media attention, reaching millions of readers/viewers).

    JWN Posting Guidelines:

    Invading people's privacy
    Please don't post private addresses or phone numbers, including your own. You may post email addresses so long as you make it clear who they belong to.

    rebel8 Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:11:00 GMT (7/25/2009) edit


    United States New York

    Post 6865 of 7385
    Since 1/13/2005

    If anyone is unfamiliar with the counter-cult actions taken by a group called Anonymous (ex-Scientologists),  here is a quick overview:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Chanology

    Now of course these folks did some much more radical stuff that I'd ever in a million years be involved in.  BUT--if you want to make a difference in the public's view, media attention by far is the most effective way to do so. 

    A million letters to headquarters + educational materials to child abuse clinics/physicians + a gazillion letters to the editor all in the same week = newsworthy

    What we'd need at this point:

    1. Consensus on a date for the action
    2. Committments for people to write letters to editors during the selected week, ensuring at least major newspapers in the English-speaking world are covered (Could people post what papers they're willing to cover on DT's blog?  Would that work?)
    3. Committments for people to write letters to wt headquarters during the designated week (25 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn, NY 11201-2483).  Is there a way to sort of measure how many were sent?  (Or email them--during the designated week.)
    4. Does anyone have the ability to post plans on ex-jw sites that are non-English speaking (once plans are finalized)?
    5. Committments for people to mail this to physicians, can be done anonymously:  http://www.ajwrb.org/physicians/brochure.pdf
    6. Committments for people to mail brochures to child abuse clinics or pediatricians, can be done anonymously:  http://www.silentlambs.org/assistance/brochure.cfm
    7. Someone to bring this to the media's attention once the date nears

    while there are a thousand reasons that this will be difficult and may not succeed, why not keep the dialogue to constructive and positive thoughts about this effort?

    Thank you.  No one is being pushed to participate, and there's no reason for anyone to spew negativity if they don't want to participate.  Just saying that based on upon past experiences. ;)

    One letter sent is success as far as I'm concerned, so this isn't going to fail.  Disempowerment is post-cult baggage IMHO.

    rebel8 Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:14:00 GMT (7/25/2009) edit


    United States New York

    Post 6866 of 7385
    Since 1/13/2005

    Hopefully this is obvious to everyone who might be reading this from across the globe, but in case not:

    No religious hate speech, crimes of any sort, threats, harassing, vandalism, hacking, etc.  P.L.E.A.S.E.  And no lying or exaggerating.  The truth is powerful enough on its own.

    cameo-d Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:19:00 GMT (7/25/2009) edit




    Post 4167 of 6235
    Since 7/30/2008

    I would be interested in hearing how other letter campaigns have worked out.

    Wing commander started one a while back and people exchanged their mailing lists with one another so that the postmarks would not be local.

    Letters were sent to private individuals per request from their loved ones here.

     

    I would like to hear from those who sent letters for others....did they hear of any response?

    Did it ever make any difference?

     

     

    rebel8 Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:25:00 GMT (7/25/2009) edit


    United States New York

    Post 6867 of 7385
    Since 1/13/2005

    I doubt sending letters to individuals does more than make 1/10 of the recipients mildly uncomfortable with their beliefs.

    I'm always surprised there is so much interest in helping individuals when it is the most laborious and least effective???  Oh well.

    Mickey mouse Re: Major anti-cult campaign in autumn? Post here if interested posted Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:49:00 GMT (7/25/2009) edit




    Post 1683 of 2828
    Since 12/11/2007

    Some excellent suggestions here.  I like the idea of a coordinated letter writing campaign to media outlets.

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