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    koolaid-man posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:58:00 GMT(6/28/2009)

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    The news media seems to be reluctant in bringing up the fact of Michael Jackson's involvement with Jehovah's Witnesses. The public deserves to know the adverse influence the Witness belief system imposes on people. The Watchtower Organization seemed to instill much fear into Michael Jackson as you can read in the following e-mail being sent to news agencies. It would be good if members of this board could write e-mails as well to all local as well as national newspapers and television stations to let everyone know the Michael Jackson Witness connection. Feel free to forward the copy of the e-mail below to anyone who can "take this story and run with it". Subject ...Who really killed Michael Jackson?

    The loss of Michael Jackson is a tragedy and the world justifiably mourns as they have lost their pop icon. Michael Jackson made such a huge impact in the world of music. As the news leaks out on the life of Michael, it exposes a darker side, a mysterious and eccentric man. At times, Michael acted very odd, displaying unconventional behaviour. Michael Jackson's problems and difficulties have been traced back to his childhood. What should be considered and has been totally avoided is Jackson's connections with Jehovah's Witnesses . Michael, for many years, along with other family members were involved with this very esoteric, secretive organization. It would be easy to establish that so many of Michael's behavorial problems can be linked to the Watchtower Organization , otherwise known as Jehovah's Witnesses. This Organization prohibits so many normal activities of life, which indeed does create mental anguish and stress, especially for children. Jehovah's Witnesses cannot celebrate birthdays,Christmas,Thanksgiving, fourth of July, Mother's Day , and so many other normal activities which can be wholesome and encouraging , especially to children. Young Michael,growing up in this cultic environment,no doubt had adverse affects in Michael's life.This authoritarian, restricting Organization was not happy or proud of Michael's making of the video "Thriller". They made Michael feel guilty and obviously put undue stress on him, suggessting the video promoted spiritism. Proof of this is easy to document. The film begins with the disclaimer:"Do to my strong personal convictions, I wish to stress that this film in no way endorses a belief in the occult.-Michael Jackson". The Watchtower publication Awake May 22,1984 page 19 states "nevertheless, it was so realistic that some who saw it admitted they were horrified at first. What was this short film intended to convey? How does the performer, Michael Jackson feel about it looking back?" The article continues, "I would never do it again!"says Jackson. "I just intended to do a good, fun short film, not to purposely bring to the screen something to scare people or to do anything bad. I want to do what's right. I would never do anything like that again."Why not? "Because a lot of people were offended by it, " explains Jackson. "That makes me feel bad. I don't want them to feel that way.I realize now that it wasn't a good idea.I'll never do a video like that again!" More should be said connecting Michael's problems to the Watchtower Organization. His mother,Katherine, is to my knowledge still an active Jehovah's Witness and according to Jehovah's Witnesses doctrine she was not supposed to be even speaking with her own son, as he was no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses. One can only imagine the strain this Organization put on the Jackson family. As a former Jehovah's Witness, I'm very aware of the guilt and fear the Watchtower Organization instills in the minds of their members. I have a website that documents all the Watchtower is hiding behind. www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com Examine this site, especially screens 4 and 5 to substantiate what I have said.Feel free to contact me sixscreens06@yaoo.com Thanks Rick Fearon, Massachusetts

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    The Almighty Homer posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:18:00 GMT(6/28/2009)

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    Have you not read the forum rules on spamming Rick perhaps you should.

    The connection he had with the JWS is just a small part of his total life story, the oppression he experienced while a JW child

    contributed to somewhat to his behavior as a young adult, thats a valid assumption, buts its certainly not the whole

    story to be sure.

    M HappyDad posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:48:00 GMT(6/28/2009)

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    Get over it already! He WAS a JW at one time in his life. Like him......everyone who can should just disconnect from their past and start enjoying life.

    Some can't because of family. I understand that! For those who can.....JUST get a life without thinking you have been chosen to expose everything about the JW's.

    You can't even make a nick in the JW infrastructure. There's more happiness in having a good life without everyday of YOUR life trying to expose what you think might be a tidbit of scandal or discretion.

    Get happy dude!

    HappyDad

    F jamiebowers posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:07:00 GMT(6/28/2009)

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    I don't think this email is out of line at all. It gracefully says what many exjws, including myself, have been thinking.

    F shopaholic posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:13:00 GMT(6/28/2009)

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    I don't think this email is out of line at all. I agree.

    M jws posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:20:00 GMT(6/28/2009)

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    I think it's a bit ridiculous. Maybe being a JW left a few scars. It has on most ex-JWs. But are we a bunch of psycho freaks because of it? The kid grew up performing all over. I remember one documentary a few years back that said they'd perform at strip clubs. A 6-year-old boy in the environment of a strip club, getting ready in back where the strippers are all changing? The types of people he met were other performers, roadies, people who worked in nightclubs, bar owners, bartenders, waitresses, promoters, etc. I've worked in those environments. Some of those people don't have the best values. At least not the kind a little kid should be seeing. And he had an abusive father. It's not exclusive to JWs to have abusive fathers. Not to mention fame and what that does to a person. I'll bet MJ didn't remember a time when he wasn't famous to some degree.

    Sure he may have missed birthdays, Christmas, etc. But c'mon, the congregation was looking the other way. In 1970 the Jackson 5 put out a Christmas album.

    All you have to do is look at a multitude of ex-childhood stars and see how screwed up they are. Then look at all of the ex-JWs and see how screwed up they are. I think most ex-JWs may be a bit bitter, maybe sometimes a bit dysfunctional, but overall can blend with the rest of the world and aren't much more scarred than your average non-JW and things they had to deal with. I'd venture to say the biggest thing screwing up Michael Jackson was his fame and musical career, not the JWs.

    I get the feeling the congregation loved having celebrities in their midst and nobody pushed them too hard to obey the rules. Look at things like the Christmas album. Even MJ's "Off the Wall" album in 1979. Look at the lyrics to some of those songs. Could you imagine your elders being OK with those? But they obviously let him get away with it. I don't know all of the songs, but "Don't Stop til you get enough" was very disco at a time when the JWs were publishing articles about the dangers of those beats leading to fornication. Thriller came out in 1982. I'm not saying anything was shocking. But if you're a devout JW, you're probably not going to be singing some of those songs. But it wasn't until he came out with the Thriller video two years later that he ran into trouble with the JWs. And I'll bet it wasn't the local congregation either. I'm sure either Brooklyn or some DO didn't like MJ's career to that point and decided that was the final straw.

    I've known JWs that are very straight laced. Listen to only "wholesome" things, etc. I've known other JWs that are more like I used to view a lot of worldly churchgoers. Came regularly to meetings, but were indistinguishable from anybody else outside of the hall. They believed it all. But they didn't seem to get that the rules say you shouldn't live that way and nobody at the hall seemed to mind. I think MJ and his family were more like that.

    I don't really think anybody gave him a hard time so I don't see how his being messed up relates to being a JW.

    Assuming you're buying into the whole "he didn't have a childhood and lives like a child to make up for it", then maybe missing birthdays, holidays, and normal kid things might be a contributing factor towards the whole picture of things he missed out on because he was a performer. Personally I think the reliving his childhood thing was a lure to get kids over. I didn't have birthdays or holidays either, but I don't overcompensate now.

    The Almighty Homer posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:28:00 GMT(6/28/2009)

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    Come on people you don't all of his personal problems are directly related to the JWS and his particular history with them ?

    This is just an opportunistic shot at him for being involved with the JWS and Rick Feron is just using it in a exploitive way

    to spam his web site.

    Are you happy now Rick ?

    shamus100 posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:31:00 GMT(6/28/2009)

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    I have to agree here -

    That entire paragraph makes me think it's a bit nutty to say the least.

    If you want to see people with real problems, go to a third-world country. This is absolutely nothing!

    cantleave posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:38:00 GMT(6/28/2009)

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    MJ's level of involvement with the Witnesses was minimal at best. He was due to the ambitions of his abusive father, performing on stage and screen rather being a full time witness. I doubt very much whether his behaviour had anything to do with his mother being a Witness. Let's not forget that he was a genius and there is always a fine line between genius and crackpot!!!!!!!!

    M DT posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:41:00 GMT(6/28/2009)

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    I think the email brings up some good questions and valid points. I hope the traditional media pays more attention to this.

    I know you and your site get a lot of criticism. I personally found your site to be very useful in my deconversion. Others don't like it and that's fine. It gives the impression of a classic "apostate site" as many Witnesses imagine it. It may turn some people off, but these same people might then be less cautious of other critical sites that seem more innocent and less like the stereotype they have in mind.

    M Black Sheep posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:04:00 GMT(6/28/2009)

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    If you want to be taken seriously, stick to stuff that is sensible and can not be disputed.

    ....and....

    I just clicked on your link and found a front page for your website that would scare the shit out of a Jehovah's Witness.

    You don't do us Apostates any favours with crap like that. Reniaa must love you.

    carla posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:38:00 GMT(6/28/2009)

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    I really don't see why all of you are so offended by the above letter. MJ has said in interviews that he did not have a normal childhood and being a jw was part of the abnormal upbringing. Granted, there are numerous other things that can be attributed to his strangeness but the jw indoctrination and lack of holidays is something he had brought up himself as missing as well as most of you here have brought up. Many here continue to have problems and even call themselves 'social retards' (words used here on this board by ex jw's, not my phrase) and have difficutly 'fitting in'.

    MJ's mother has never had to tow the line like so many jw parents. How many here are being shunned right now by your parents? How many here are still going to meetings just so you can keep your family? I'm sure if you were as famous (or had a child like MJ) as MJ and had that kind of money you too would be able to do as you pleased AND keep your family.

    Yes, some here have been able to move on with little emotional baggage and are successful in all areas of their life, others struggle through everyday. Individual strengths are just that, individual. Why do some who come from drug/poverty/abusive homes go on to lives of crime and others go on to success and wish to never subject their children to what they lived through? Why do people come to America from 3rd world countries with no freedoms and know true poverty go onto become Doctors or other careers that help their fellow man while home grown American's who have all the freedoms do nothing for themselves? We are all individuals and one can be exposed to horrors and go on and others are forever affected by the horrors and cannot 'get it together', 'pick themselves up their bootstraps', or 'have the stiff upper lip'. One becomes something and the other who suffered something similar falls apart. I'm not suggesting being a jw was MJ's entire problems in life but it certainly contributed to it.

    Many here seem to have had very lax jw parents, some had very strict and downright insane parents. Either way, the jw lifestyle is not normal for anyone and is emotionally, mentally, spiritually, and at times physically & sexually abusive. Abnormal things I have seen on ex jw boards- mother's checking their daughters used female hygiene products to make sure they were not pregnant, a father smashing his sons knees with a bat so he could not use a sports scholarship he secretly got by secretly playing a highschool sport, parents stealing their childrens money, parents allowing their children to die for mere men, parents who allowed the elders to sweep rape under the carpet and allow the perpetrator continue to child rape, destroying used toys due to 'demons' being in them, telling their children the rest of their schoolmates & non jw family will be dead at the Big A and are worthy of it, etc..etc...etc.... this is not normal, this life jw children live, it is abusive.

    As for ex jw sites you find 'creepy','scary' or 'corny' for jw's, you must remember not all ex jw boards & sites are only for current jw's. They help those who have loved ones who are just now thinking of joining, they help relatives understand why a loved one has joined a wacky cult and what is wacky about it. The owner of Six Screens is a product of the jw's just like many of you here. If you dislike his site then don't go there, simple. If you think it does damage to the ex jw cause then make a better site and find a way to direct people to it.

    cameo-d posted Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:53:00 GMT(6/28/2009)

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    More blame the WT stuff. Some blame those who pushed him.

    In defense of that, what parent does not want their children to live up to their full potential? I imagine Michael was much to busy with his rigid schedule to pay the WT much mind.

    He obviously had some personal demons as Mindmelda so eloquently and knowledgably expressed on another thread. In spite of all the negative things that may have influenced his life, Michael persevered to try and do something worthwhile with his time on this earth. He brought joy to a great many people. I believe he was a compassionate, tender soul.

    I think blaming the WT for whatever idiosyncracies Michael had is erroneous. If it were true, it would stand to reason that all JWs and ex-JWs are suffering from some sort of dementia.

    Worse yet, this could play right into the WT hands by saying "See? He left Jehovah and was turned over to a reprobate mind. And that is what will happen to you, too, if you dare leave!"

    I think blaming WT is in poor taste and misdirected, much the same as I see people venting hatred toward Michael as a scapegoat for all child molesters. I also think it is very wrong to judge and convict someone based on tabloid rumors. And I think it is a deceitful error to try to blame WT for Michael's personal problems. I don't think Michael got in nearly as deep as most JWs do.

    WTWizard posted Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:36:00 GMT(6/29/2009)

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    What needs to happen is that the media acknowledge that the witlesses did traumatize Michael Jackson, as well as everyone else that is born into that cancer. Some grow up to be pedophiles (often, remaining in the congregation). Some go balistic and attack the witlesses. Some will do little more than expose the doctrines that the religion puts out, in an effort to prevent them from growing as quickly as they hoped to. Some repress it all, and die of cancer or heart attacks (many of them even remaining "faithful").

    To compound the matter, Michael Jackson was also a superstar. This gave him the means to try and capture his childhood again, the childhood he never had. Most witlesses and ex-witlesses do not have that means. It also gave him the means to do a video that the witlesses did not like, so they made him feel bad about having done it (even though Jackson is an adult at that time, they are still treating him like a child by reproving him for doing his job).

    To the extent that anyone tries to minimize the religion's involvement, they are allowing themselves (and, in the case of the media, whose job is to report things honestly, the world) to think nothing is wrong with that religion above and beyond that which is wrong with all Christian religions. If it's the government that is deluded, it is even more of a panic situation since they are turning a blind eye to a major problem religion, and that religion is as capable of plunging the world into the Second Dark Ages as the Catholic church was at plunging the world into the First Dark Ages. Turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to the danger that religion poses to society is certainly not a good idea, any more than it was for the Romans to ignore the danger of the Catholic church around 380 AD.

    M Kingdom Hall No More posted Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:39:00 GMT(6/30/2009)

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    Everyone that has posted a comment on here has made a valid point....including Rick Fearon.

    It is very difficult to grow up in a organization such as the Jehovah Witnesses and come out to live and think 100% normal !

    Michael Jackson had to attend the kingdom hall ...it wasnt a choice matter....just like he had to attend the kingdom hall, he had to perform as well...whether it was at packed arenas or strip clubs...he had to do his job...and he wasnt baptized...while on the other hand, the superstar R&B singer PRINCE performs and goes to strip clubs and he is baptized...BUT THE WATCHTOWER TRACT SOCIETY DONT SAY NOTHING TO HIM and so he gets a pass !

    All ex JW's know...including myself know that we had no choice in attending the kingdom hall and our parents would have paid Jehovah God himself for us to get us baptized...some were forced and pressured by our families and parents into becoming Jehovah Witnesses...my own mother made me sign a contract that in order to receive my guardianship money at 18 years old...that I had to be in good standing with her and Jehovah !

    yes...I made it and moved on ( I'm disfellowshipped and I dont care ) but it took damn near 16 loooooooooong years to finally get it together and move on and it also took for me to get far away from my mother as well.

    I'm not even close to the success level as Michael Jackson, but I can personally understand on how his upbringing played a role on the adult life of Michael Jackson....a very tragic and sad man that was gifted and blessed.

    Just like myself, he wanted to be the best in his craft ....a talent and a gift that God himself gave him ...and he was shot down by the organization and looked down upon just as I was when I was pursuing music...this is same organization that claims that "they are no parts of this world" but becomes a non-governmental member of the United Nations some years later after "disassociating" Michael Jackson for doing the video "THRILLER"...in which was made for entertainment only and did not go against any bible scriptures.

    We are all like Michael Jackson in one way or another but at the end of the day...its all about having a personal relationship with God that matters ...not one with the Watchtower and Tract Society ...

    Daniel Chamberlayne

    Author- The Kingdom Hall No More

    ...without a choice in the matter for so many years and think that one day when you wake up

    shamus100 posted Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:25:00 GMT(1/30/2012)

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    Shocking!!! :O

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