Ted Jaracz is not one of Christ’s Brothers – Special Day Assembly Report

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    M zarco posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:32:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    During a recent Special Day Assembly Program, Ted said that woman in a physically abusive marriage should submit to her husband so that eventually her husbands may respond to their submission and come to worship god. My family was completely shocked. Can you imagine the culpability and responsibility of this man who claims to speak for the Christ to encourage women to get beat up as way to encourage their abusive husbands to come into the truth. Is this what Christ would have encouraged? In the same talk while promoting the use of the Bible he told the audience that we should be like the Boreans and examine what is said from the platform, not to question but to confirm what is said. The arrogance of this man is beyond comprehension as he has the audacity to change the Bible’s message to suit his purposes. As usual he hid from the brotherhood before, during the lunch break and after the Assembly Day. Jesus, Paul and others would have been with the brotherhood to encourage and engage, not to hide away. This man is evil or an idiot. Christ like – not a chance. Zarco

    M stillajwexelder posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:38:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    of the senior men during WT history , it seems like the most pleasant were Charles Taze Russel and Milton Henschel

    M AllTimeJeff posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:41:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    Hi Zarco. (and by the way, its Ted Jaracz)

    Don't feel bad, Jaracz didn't even do a single lecture for our Gilead class. He farmed them out to Geoff Jackson. He coudn't be bothered. If he didn't say hi to you, he didn't say hi to (what I learned later) to several Gilead classes, ours included.

    I can't wait till he dies. Just because he has caused so much misery.

    M 5go posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:42:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    This man is evil or an idiot

    An Idiot there is no evil in the world just stupid people doing and repeating stupid things.

    M truthsetsonefree posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:43:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    Ted said that woman in a physically abusive marriage should submit to her husband so that eventually her husbands may respond to their submission and come to worship god.

    Of course this is official WT teaching.

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    1 Cor. 7:10-16: "To the married people I give instructions, yet not I but the Lord, that a wife should not depart from her husband; but if she should actually depart, let her remain unmarried or else make up again with her husband; and a husband should not leave his wife. But to the others I say, yes, I, not the Lord [but, as verse 40 shows, Paul was directed by holy spirit]: If any brother has an unbelieving wife, and yet she is agreeable to dwelling with him, let him not leave her; and a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and yet he is agreeable to dwelling with her, let her not leave her husband. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in relation to his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in relation to the brother; otherwise, your children would really be unclean, but now they are holy. But if the unbelieving one proceeds to depart, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not in servitude under such circumstances, but God has called you to peace. For, wife, how do you know but that you will save your husband? Or, husband, how do you know but that you will save your wife?" (Why would the believer put up with hardship and earnestly endeavor to hold the marriage together? Out of respect for the divine origin of marriage and in hope that the unbeliever may in time be helped to become a servant of the true God.)

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    This brings us to the first goal in a divided household. What is that? The believer needs to keep integrity to God and to obey the one through whom God speaks today—his beloved Son, Jesus Christ. To yield integrity is to yield life itself. (Heb. 1:1, 2; 2:3; Matt. 10:32-35) When discussing divided households, Jesus said: "Indeed, a man’s enemies will be persons of his own household," and then Jesus explained: "He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me." (Matt. 10:36, 37) If it must come to a showdown, then what? The believer must "obey God as ruler rather than men." (Acts 5:29) True, it may be a long war of nerves, but keep the goal of integrity foremost. The believer should refuse to become provoked or loud, when the going gets difficult. Realize that it is better to take abuse than to give it. (Eph. 4:26, 29, 31) And all who are members of the Christian congregation can help these persons who are fighting the battle of integrity on the home front. Encourage them to endure, to keep integrity to Almighty God.

    M Homerovah the Almighty posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:44:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    A convulsive idiot forlorn and delusional on reality.

    Well folks this what happens when people think its better to follow the social morals of 2000 year old ancient Israelites.

    Submit to Ted folks he's well educated in modern human sociality.

    M truthsetsonefree posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:45:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    Ok I have to find another way to post out of WTLIB 2007. Sorry about the formatting. It just proves that one version of WT teaching in this area is to "grin and bear it" in hope the "unbeliever" will come around.

    Isaac

    M AllTimeJeff posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:48:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    Ok I have to find another way to post out of WTLIB 2007. Sorry about the formatting.

    Do you have Word? Try importing it their first.

    F purplesofa posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:50:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    From experiance, letting a man continue to beat the hell out of you does not rehabilitate them, bring them closer to God or make them sorry for doing it.

    They will not be won over without a word or any of that other BS they put out.

    They will beat the shit out of you and you will like it or get the hell away.

    If any woman here is abused, get out of that situation and quickly.

    If you need help, PM me.

    purps

    F loosie posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:55:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    DiId he say what to do in the case of a jw husband who is beaten by his unbelieving wife? Should the husband submit to his wife so she can learn the truth? Or do the men get to hit back?

    Just curious

    loosie ( of the too much of a feminist to be a jw class)

    M AllTimeJeff posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:56:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    From experiance, letting a man continue to beat the hell out of you does not rehabilitate them, bring them closer to God or make them sorry for doing it. They will not be won over without a word or any of that other BS they put out. They will beat the shit out of you and you will like it or get the hell away. If any woman here is abused, get out of that situation and quickly.

    AMEN!

    F JWdaughter posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:02:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    The scripture says something about being able to live agreeably with an unbeliever. How is it considered an agreeable relationship when one party is being abused? I think the abuse gives one a perfectly valid out in any way of Christian thought that is sincere.

    OUTLAW posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:40:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    "An Idiot there is no evil in the world just stupid people doing and repeating stupid things.".............WRONG!!...............If your doing Wrong..And You Know It....Are you Just an Idiot?........................If your doing Wrong..It`s Hurting People and You Know it!..Your EVIL!!.......................Clint Eastwood...OUTLAW

    M Homerovah the Almighty posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:52:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    This goes to show what kind of lack of respect that woman or wifes have in the Jehovah Witness world, I wonder of this holds true also to any slaves

    that men have or perhaps children.

    Religion is about power folks its not about love and respect.

    Didn't the bible also say spare the rod and spoil the child ?

    F Mrs. Fiorini posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:24:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    It's been a long time since I was a JW but I thought physical abuse was one of the circumstances that allowed a woman to leave her husband. That wasn't enough to justify a divorce, but did allow for not living together. Am I remembering wrong? Isn't it the same policy as for someone whose spouse is sharing apostate information with them and therefore "spiritually endangering" them?

    M wha happened? posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:47:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    There were a few congregations in my area (including the one I attended) that supported this old, Medieval view of women. One sister was getting the snot beat out of her and the brothers there wanted to know what she did to anger her husband. She later fled the city and settled in with her parents.

    Sister #2 was also getting the snot beat out of her and the elders gave her recipes for her to cook so her husband wouldn't get upset with her.

    What a sick place that organization is in

    carla posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:02:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    You say this was a recent speech? how recent? getting a clip of jackass saying that on youtube would be helpful!

    M eyeslice posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:29:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    You say this was a recent speech? how recent? getting a clip of jackass saying that on youtube would be helpful!

    Whilst I don't doubt that such stupid things are said, quotations like these must be backed up with at least date and locaction. Ideally as Carla says a clip would be even better.

    hamsterbait posted Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:35:00 GMT(1/5/2009)

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    This is the fool who said that child rape and abuse were covered by privacy laws.

    "You asked me a question and it should have been answered to your satisfaction.

    HB

    F Mary posted Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:31:00 GMT(1/6/2009)

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    Ted said that woman in a physically abusive marriage should submit to her husband so that eventually her husbands may respond to their submission and come to worship god. My family was completely shocked.

    I'm not. Nothing that idiot says surprises me anymore. Plus, you have to remember that idiots like Ted Jackass Jaracz are still 50 years behind the times. He views women as second class citizens and would like to see them all kept barefoot and pregnant. Idiot.

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