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    M Wordly Andre posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:26:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    I was watching a documentry last week and it was about concentration camps, I was not paying much attention because I was on my computer at the same time, however they were talking about the different badges of shame that were put on the prisoners shirts. When they got to the Purple Triangle it was said that, that meant the prisoner was a Religious fanatics, now growing up the JW's always said that the purple triangle was for JW's, I am not saying they were not in the camps but, there were other religous groups that the members were taken by the Nazi's because of their religious beliefs not just the JW's. Not too long ago I was talking to a JW about this same topic, he said the purple triangle was only for JW's and went on about the abuse and killings suffered because the Nazi's targeted JW's. I wish I had recorded that show.

    F searchingforfriends posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:30:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    That's really interesting, I never knew that it was for more than JW's. Here's what I've found so far, I'm sure there's more.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_triangle

    The purple triangle was a concentration camp badge used by the Nazis to identify several unorthodox non-conformist religious groups known as "Bibelforscher" ("Bible scholars").[1][2] Among these were mainly Jehovah's Witnesses, as well as a few members of Witness splinter groups, and members of the Adventist, Baptist, and New Apostolic movements.[3]

    BabaYaga posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:38:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    Wow... I never knew that either. Thanks for the heads-up.

    F MsMcDucket posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:40:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    Well, the Jews had to wear the Star of David!

    F MsMcDucket posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:45:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    The purple triangle was a concentration camp badge used by the Nazis to identify several unorthodox non-conformist religious groups known as "Bibelforscher" ("Bible scholars"). [1] [2] Among these were mainly Jehovah's Witnesses, as well as a few members of Witness splinter groups, and members of the Adventist, Baptist, and New Apostolic movements. [3]

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    F MsMcDucket posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:47:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    Sorry Searching! I just put the same thing you posted! Egad!

    M Wordly Andre posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:48:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    Wonder if that Wiki poster was a JW? Seems to me there would be equal amounts of "other" religious groups compared to the JW's, but the way the JW's tell it, it was only them

    VoidEater posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:49:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    There were a variety of badges, the purple triangle was for a variety of religious groups that would not sign up with the Party (this is probably the historical basis for the Malawi stupidity).

    While the subject matter is not specifically on religious objectors, The Pink Triangle has (as I recall) an appendix listing the various badges used in the camps and their meanings (obviously the book is about gays in the camps):

    http://www.amazon.com/Pink-Triangle-Nazi-Against-Homosexuals/dp/0805006001/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215621882&sr=1-1

    From http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Nazi:concentration:camp:badges.html (though with the common JW error):

    The most common forms of the badge were:

    Double triangles:

    • Two yellow triangles, superimposed upon one another, making the Star of David The Star of David Magen David or Mogen David in Hebrew, Shield of David Solomon's Seal or Seal of Solomon is a generally recognized symbol of Judaism and Jewish identity. It is also known as the Jewish Star . With the establishment of the State of Israel - a Jew The word Jew is used in a wide number of ways, but generally refers to either a follower of the Jewish faith, a child of a Jewish mother, or a member of the Jewish culture or ethnicity. This article discusses the term as describing an ethnic group; for a , including Jews by practice or descent.
    • Pink inverted triangle superimposed upon a yellow one, making the Star of David - a homosexual Jew.

    There were many markings. A prisoner would typically have at least two, and possibly more than six:

    F MsMcDucket posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:53:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    The people that were mostly persecuted were the Jews.

    M james_woods posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:58:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    When I first heard about this in the 1960s (right before Malawi) - the standard story was that "Jehovah's Witnesses were the only people in Germany interred strictly for their religion". Jews were put in the camps because of their race.

    This, of course, nicely avoids the subject of the odd jew who was racially probably just as german as Erwin Rommell, but who happened to have the name Goldshmidt or some such.

    We were also told that this German term "biblestudent" was actually "the German translation word for Jehovah's Witnesses" and it did not mean any other groups.

    The famous story was that Rutherford started a Malawi-like letter and cable campaign to Hitler over the JWs, and that Hitler is supposed to have said "this brood will be exterminated in Germany" after seeing another deskful of the letters and cables.

    I wonder if that is not also witness urban legend - but they did claim to have an eyewitness.

    F MsMcDucket posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:02:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    Jewish is a race?

    M james_woods posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:04:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    "Jewish is a race" -

    That's what the JWs said, not me...kind of hard to explain someone like Sammy Davis Jr. in that context isn't it?

    F MsMcDucket posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:08:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    That's what the JWs said, not me...kind of hard to explain someone like Sammy Davis Jr. in that context isn't it?

    Remember the Ethiopian Jews that were seeking refuge in Israel back in the 80's? I believe? Are all Israeli's (sp?) Jews?

    F MsMcDucket posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:16:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    The Washington Post

    Refuge for Ethiopia's Jews

    From: The Washington Post| Date: December 13, 1987 | Author: Marina Ottaway | Copyright 1987 The Washington Post. This material is published under license from the Washington Post. All inquiries regarding rights should be directed to the Washington Post. Copyright information

    RESCUE

    The Exodus of the Ethiopian Jews

    By Ruth Gruber

    Atheneum. 234 pp. $19.95

    IN 1984 the secret and daring "Operation Moses" spirited some 10,000 Falashas out of refugee camps in the Sudan and brought them to Israel. Ruth Gruber has written a moving but simplistic account of the operation, glossing over controversies, problems and the fundamental issues surrounding the Ethiopian Jews. Her thesis is simple: the Falashas, a persecuted minority whose fate had w...

    M Wordly Andre posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:16:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    I remember hearing a story of how they tried witnessing to other prisoners while in the camps, now if you were a Jew and have some JW witnessing wouldn't that be a bit rude and weird?

    M Witness 007 posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:20:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    Interesting....I wonder what the Holucost musem says about this.

    M Wordly Andre posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:21:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    Looks like I need to make a trip over to the MOT in Los Angeles.

    M james_woods posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:24:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    You know, Ms. McDucket, aside from their self-serving "religious persecution" aspect of this, the JW party line always rubbed me wrong on another level, all the way back to the time when I first heard it.

    It was very much as if they were trying to minimize the holocaust in regard to the Jews, just to make themselves seem to be the greater and more righteous sufferers. That is reversed-logic BS. People like Anne Franks deserve much more of our respect and sympathy, IMHO, specifically because they had no choice in the matter - truly an innocent victime, having done nothing on her own to cause it.

    And, as was posted above, the JWs actually killed in the camps must have been a vanishingly tiny fraction compared to the numbers of innocent Jews.

    M Wordly Andre posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:30:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    Since 1945, the most commonly cited figure for the total number of Jews killed has been six million. and The number of Jehovah's Witnesses who died in concentration camps and prisons during the Nazi era is estimated at 1,000 Germans and 400 from other countries, including about 90 Austrians and 120 Dutch.

    F MsMcDucket posted Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:33:00 GMT(7/9/2008)

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    And, as was posted above, the JWs actually killed in the camps must have been a vanishingly tiny fraction compared to the numbers of innocent Jews.

    Makes you wonder if the JW's were from Israel or Jewish converts so to speak.

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