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    Nathan Natas posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:38:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    see: http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2007/09/04/newcrash_0904.html

    FAA probes plane crash killing 5 Jehovah's Witness ministers

    By Associated Press

    Published on: 09/04/07

    ELIZABETHTON, Tenn. — The man waiting at a Virginia airport for five Jehovah's Witness ministers knew something was wrong when they did not show up at the appointed time.

    William Turpen said he spoke with Gerald "Jerry" Booth of Elizabethton at 9:30 a.m. Saturday as Booth was about to load the plane that should have carried him to the Virginia Highlands Airport in less than an hour.

    Instead the single-engine Beech Bonanza crashed on Holston Mountain in the Cherokee National Forest shortly after leaving Elizabethton.

    Craig Clark, of Elizabethton; Randall Walp, of Chattanooga; Victor "Jim" Osborne, of Morristown; Leon Rosko, of Sevierville; and Booth, of Unicoi, all were killed in the crash, Turpen said.

    The men were members of a regional committee that makes decisions regarding building projects and had been on their way to meet with Turpen's Lebanon, Va. congregation to discuss building a new Kingdom Hall there.

    Turpen said a pilot at the Virginia airport helped him contact the Federal Aviation Authority, but without a tail number or even the name of the pilot it was hard to get help.

    "We couldn't tell the FAA here he is, or there he was," Turpen said. "All we knew was we had talked to one of the passengers 45 minutes out when he was about to get on the plane."

    Also, Osborne, the pilot, had not filed a flight plan, something that FAA spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen said is not uncommon for small private planes.

    After many more calls over a number of hours, Turpen had gathered enough information to initiate a search.

    "By that time we had all the cell phone numbers of all the passengers that we'd been calling for hours with no answer," he said.

    At around 3 p.m. the Carter County Sheriff's Office dispatched the Wings Air Rescue to search the area by air, and a crew spotted the wreckage shortly before dark. Rescuers had to use a bulldozer to clear a path to the remote crash site, and rescue teams did not reach the site until Sunday morning.

    A representative of the sheriff's office said Sheriff Chris Mathes and other local officials were still at the crash scene on Monday. Mathes was expected to make a statement on Tuesday.

    Turpen said once he knew something was wrong he contacted ministers in each of the five congregations to go to the homes of the men's families and offer them support while they awaited news of the plane's fate.

    "All five men knew each other very well, and their families knew each other because they had worked together for many years," he said.

    "It's a tragedy, but they have the support of their commentates and a strong faith in the resurrection hope. They are dealing with it maybe better than most because of that hope," Turpen said.

    The Federal Aviation Administration and National Transportation Safety Board are investigating the accident.

    Nathan Natas posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:43:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    I do have to say that I would not give a penny to any fund for these guys because it would likely be sent to the WTB&TS to further "the worldwide work."

    The Society will do nothing for the grieving families, and there's nothing we can do to change that.

    The workers have their reward in full, and their families cling to the illusion of a resurrection. ...any minute now. Right around the corner. Don't stop now, it is so close, now it's even closer...

    Nathan Natas posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:49:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    A few more details and pictures of three of the deceased are here:

    http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=7017671

    minimus posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:50:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    "They are dealing with it better than most" because they are Jehovah's Witnesses? Arrogance!

    Still, it's sad to see anyone go down in a plane.

    M sixsixsixtynine posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:51:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    .....They are dealing with it maybe better than most because of that hope,"

    Always gotta sneak in a little smug Witness superiority. F-ck off.

    F tnangel73 posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:53:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    They are going to have a memorial service for the 5 elders in Johnson City at the same place they have conventions there.

    95stormfront posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:54:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    That "faith in the resurrection hope" crap is the trump card the WT organization trains JWs to pull out in order to evade financial liability. Losing what will most likely be the breadwinners for these five families will be devastating as the WT squeeze this for as much free publicity as it's worth and the initial love bombing wears off.

    M Blueblades posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:05:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    We know that the Watchtower won't give the families one red cent. However, was the plane insured in the event that it did crash? Will the families receive insurance money to help them with the funeral and burial expenses and the loss of their loved ones? If Osbourne did not have flight insurance as the pilot, what will the Watchtower do for them? They shell out for the victims of the pedophiles, they should compensate the families of this tragedy.

    Blueblades

    M Honesty posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:28:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    I personally knew Leon Rosko and had met Jerry Booth and Craig Clark.

    The Watchtower Society is going to have a combined Memorial Service for all 5 men at Freedom Hall in Johnson City, TN.

    MEMORIAL SERVICE

    That is where the WTBTS has District Conventions and Circuit Assemblies for the tri-sate area (W VA, VA, and TN) including the Knoxville, Sweetwater, Athens and Madisonville congregations.

    Another board poses some interesting comments about the Memorial Service:

    CLICK HERE

    ex-nj-jw posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:34:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    At least they have the resurrection hope

    nj

    M garybuss posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:47:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    http://www.secinfo.com/dsVS7.6179.htm

    M Honesty posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:58:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    "We really, we're shocked by it because everyone that I've talked to that has flown with Jim talks about the fact that he was constantly on the radio talking to the radio control towers," explains Waite. "He had redundant systems for safety in his aircraft, we're at a loss."

    Where is the wisdom of loading Five 200 lb.+ men in a Bonanza and attempting to navigate over the top of a 4,000+ FT. high mountain???

    BEECHCRAFT BONANZA SPECIFICATIONS

    M Honesty posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:06:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    I hope his estate has plenty of liability insurance:

    1987 BEECHCRAFT A36 FAA # N326DK

    M greendawn posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:30:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    At least their never ending adolescent fantasies give them some protection from some tough realities. No one should sympathise with those seeking to further extend the already vast and dangerously destructive JW global network.

    ithinkisee posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:44:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    I was thinking the exact same thing Minimus. Had to get that little dig in there that they are better than everyone else.

    Sad all the same.

    -ithinkisee

    95stormfront posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:56:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    Where is the wisdom of loading Five 200 lb.+ men in a Bonanza and attempting to navigate over the top of a 4,000+ FT. high mountain???

    I just responded to this issue on another thread. Just a rough weight calculation reveals that this plane was dangerously overloaded which would throw it's center of gravity way off. You would think that a pilot with the money to own and fly a plane that complex wouldn't make such a bonehead error. The redundant system that seemed to have not been compensated for was the pilots own complacency in ignoring the paperwork.

    M Burger Time posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:18:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    Could the society be liable for this? Since they should have supplied proper transport for these 5 guys? The question seriously needs to be asked. Why can the society still skimp on transportation for people who are clearly WORKING For them. These guys should have at the very least been insured by the WTS.

    Scully posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:23:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    Nice for them to plan the Memorial Service on Friday night. That way everybody can go out in service on Saturday morning.

    M moshe posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:36:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    It should be plain to the GB- Jehovah did not want that new Kingdom Hall built and maybe he is telling the WT society- no new KH's, no more preaching, no more growth- the preaching work phase has now been completed.

    johnny cip posted Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:54:00 GMT(9/4/2007)

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    I know how much I'm hated on this site for my candor. but i got extra frequent flier miles with my jw dad from this sad event. just by asking him WERE THE HELL WAS JEHOVAH, YOU CAN'T TELL ME THEY WEREN'T DOING JEHOVAH'S WORK HERE? and gave him some details. and asked maybe they had whores on board? I asked doesn't it allways say in the WATCHDOG MAG'S HOW jehovah protects his true followers to expand KINGDUM INTERESTS? WHAT IN JOE-HOOVERS NAME HAPPENED HERE.? well this story and my telling my dad about some child molester cases the wt has lost in the last few months. and all of a sudden after not talking to me for months, he in the last few weeks invites me for lunch, coffee, and just calling me on the phone to talk with me the WILD AND CRAZY APOSTATE. my dad knows i can't control my self, and will tell him the latest dirt about the borg. but he was upset today when I told him i'm too busy at work to have lunch with him. and trust me he knows what he's going to hear from me. but he wanted to here a flaming APOSTATE AT WORK. i loved about 3 years ago dad and me were having lunch and some snot nosed jw came into the rest. and sat down with us. I started tearing this guy to shreads, and my dad told this jw " you picked the wrong person to argue the TRUTH with" I was proud my dad stuck up for me < even in a roundabout way> i've learned to use these stories to my advantage with jw's. no matter how sad they are. BTW I had a big weekend in field service. but will not tell the stories here till the MODS. REMOVE MY RESTRICTIONS FROM STARTING TOPICS. JOHN THE WT EXPOSER

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