How much does the WTBS make off of District Conventions?

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    F Crooked Lumpy Vessel posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:03:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    I remember an old thread about special assemblies and the pre-donated monies for the WTBS. But how much is raked in for conventions?

    What happens to surplus money?

    M SnakesInTheTower posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:57:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    CLV:

    how much is raked in for conventions? What happens to surplus money?

    To paraphrase 'Ol Ross Perot: "There will be a giant sucking noise coming from Crooklyn." .....yeah, that money goes to NY....damn straight to NY.

    At least that what I was told when I asked the same question of the Convention Overseer. I later verified this to be true...there is no "surplus"...it all goes to WWW.....

    SnakesInTheTower (of the "I Hate the Borg" Sheep Class)

    M greendawn posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:02:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    How much they make only an insider could tell us. They always moan about the conventions being too costly and that there isn't enough money to pay for all the expenses so the dubs are advised to contribute.

    Only they know how much they make after expenses are covered but any money left goes to the HQs for sure.

    M nvrgnbk posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:39:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    I know for a fact that the District Conventions are a huge money-maker. I worked in The Accounts Dept.

    Gill posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:36:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    Feeling rather smug here as I never ever once in nearly forty years of servitude put a single penny into an assembly contribution box!!!

    I hated assemblys. Assemblys were the place that I felt most uncomfortable and felt that something was 'really wrong' with the Society.

    M nvrgnbk posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:50:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    Feeling rather smug here as I never ever once in nearly forty years of servitude put a single penny into an assembly contribution box!!!

    I hated assemblys. Assemblys were the place that I felt most uncomfortable and felt that something was 'really wrong' with the Society.

    Roaring applause for the justifiably-smug Gill.

    F jgnat posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:32:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    I have an assignment for the sufficiently motivated. In Canada, tax returns are posted online.

    http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tax/charities/online_listings/charity_listings-e.html

    The following charities, I believe, manage a portion of the assembly funds. A comparison of income and expenses should give you the answer. If a charity donates fund to a parent charity (and they do), they have to report that as well. I'd especially be interested in checking the trends, say, in the last five years. Has the amount sent to Wallkill increased over time? How about incoming funds?

    A portion of the income from these charity halls is sent to Wallkill, and they in turn send a fair chunk of change to Brooklyn.

    Happy hunting.

    CALGARY KINGDOM HALL CENTRE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES (FRANKLIN PARK) /139830624RR0001

    EDMONTON ASSEMBLY HALL OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES /107282014RR0001

    GREATER VANCOUVER ASSEMBLY HALL OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES /118946789RR0001

    OKANAGAN ASSEMBLY CENTRE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES /119065985RR0001

    MANITOBA ASSEMBLY HALL OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES INC. /119030005RR0001

    ASSEMBLY HALL OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES /119288918RR0794

    LONDON ASSEMBLY HALL OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES /119288918RR0980

    OTTAWA/OUTAOUAIS KINGDOM HALL COMPLEX OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES /132948746RR0001

    SALLE D'ASSEMBLEE DES TEMOINS DE JEHOVAH DE MONTREAL INC. MONTREAL ASSEMBLY HALL OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES INC. /104695630RR0001

    SASKATOON ASSEMBLY HALL OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES /119288918RR0749

    F brinjen posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:34:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    I know for a fact that the District Conventions are a huge money-maker. I worked in The Accounts Dept.

    Scumbags! I gave them my pocket money!

    M XBEHERE posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:39:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    There is a formula that the accounts bros told me about that the assembly committee (the company men hand picked by the CO and DO) expects to bring in per publisher. I forget how much that was but it was substantial.

    In the northeast for the 2nd year the DC's are being held in Assembly halls such as Stanley Theater, Queens, and Newburgh so in this generally affluent area the WT is making even more $$ since there is no longer rent to be paid to a stadium owner.

    M The Scotsman posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:17:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    Ah - the forum for the faithless is still going!

    Sorry to reck the wee party you are having here but, Jehovahs Witnesses are a registered charity in may countries and cannot just "pocket" peoples money.

    If you do some research you could find out what the legal responsibilities of charities are.

    I think it is always better to deal will fact, you know, reality!!

    You do understand this concept hopefully!!! LOL

    F jgnat posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:32:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    For Scotsman, from the Canadian Charities database, WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF CANADA, 2006:

    F1What were the total expenditures on programs outside Canada during the fiscal period, excluding gifts to qualified donees? 5400$ 15,549,684

    That's half of all their expenditures. To repeat, half of all expenditures by the Canadian parent charity left the country.

    M KW13 posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:06:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    To be honest the Convention also reminds dubs of what is expected because its so intense, meaning that for a good month or so after everyone is at their maximum giving it all they have out of guilt.

    M seek2find posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:24:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    To Scottsman:

    You said: " ...the forum for the faithless is still going"

    That's an interesting coment. Some here have lost faith. Some of us also have found real faith. I think the thing about this forum and the reason it's so popular is that all who seek support and fellowship here have lost faith in an organization who set itself up in the place of Jesus Christ and by doing so profaned his Holy name. So yes I guess I have lost faith, faith in promises that didn't materialize, prophecies that never came true (1975 and Generation of 1914) but that I was fully expected to beleive in. Yes Scottsman, I'm sorry I lost my faith in those things and the Organization they came from. But at least for me there is some good news, the Apostle Paul also lost faith in an organization he spoke about it in Phippians the 3rd chapter and summed it up in verse 8 "What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ" (NWT highlighting mine) seek2find

    WTWizard posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:08:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    They make too much. There never is a surplus, since they siphon it off during the lunch break on the last day with a donation to the Mother Organization. They always siphon off too much, leaving a deficit for the final session. And then they hound the people to put more in those boxes. No matter how big a surplus they had, it will be p*#$ed away in this fashion at the lunch break. Best not to even bother: if they finish in the red, oh well.

    M Paralipomenon posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:43:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    Interesting link jgnat.

    Looking at the big Kahuna itself:

    WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF CANADA
    BN/registration number:
    119288918RR0001

    "THE SOCIETY WORKS WITH THE ORDER OF SPECIAL FULL-TIME SERVANTS OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES TO ADMINISTER A BIBLE EDUCATIONAL WORK. THIS INCLUDES THE CONDUCTING OF SPECIAL TRAINING SCHOOLS FOR THOSE WHO TAKE THE LEAD IN THE PREACHING ACTIVITY OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. DURING THE 2006 FISCAL YEAR THE SOCIETY FINANCIALLY SPONSORED 36 ANNUAL CONVENTIONS IN 22 LOCATION WITHIN CANADA TO PROMOTE OUR BIBLE EDUCATIONAL WORK. WE PRINT AND DISTRIBUTE RELIGIOUS MATERIAL WHICH IS USED IN PROMOTING BIBLE EDUCATION. DURING THE 2006 FISCAL YEAR, WATCH TOWER, AT ITS PRINTERY IN GEORGETOWN, ONTARIO, PRINTED THE FOLLOWING ITEMS: 12,497,084 COPIES OF THE SEMI-MONTHY BIBLE JOURNAL THE WATCHTOWER; 9,233,804 COPIES OF AWAKE! (A COMPANION JOURNAL TO THE WATCHTOWER); 3,853,495 BIBLE-BASED BROCHURES; 77,831,752 BIBLE-BASED TRACTS. DURING THIS SAME YEAR, WATCH TOWER SHIPPED 7,506,217 BIBLES AND OTHER BIBLE STUDY PUBLICATIONS (NOT INCLUDING THE WATCHTOWER AND AWAKE!) TO CONGREGATIONS OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IN CANADA FOR DISTRIBUTION TO MEMBERS AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC AT NO CHARGE. WE DONATE FUNDS AND RELIGIOUS LITERATURE TO SPECIFIC COUNTRIES IN SUPPORT OF THE WORLDWIDE BIBLE EDUCATIONAL WORK OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. WE WORK WITH THE ORDER OF SPECIAL FULL-TIME SERVANTS IN ADMINISTERING AN ONGOING PROGRAM OF CONSTRUCTING AND RENOVATING PLACES OF WORSHIP KNOWN AS KINGDOM HALLS."

    If the WTS sponsors these conventions, why are donations taken to cover the cost?

    M OnTheWayOut posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:48:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    I don't recall amounts as District Conventions were out of congregation elders' hands.
    WTWizard has it right though. Just like a circuit assembly, they get rid of all the surplus
    by sending it to Mother. Really, it's all hers, anyway.

    It isn't like the old days, though. They used to make money on the food and the literature.
    The food should have paid for the rental of the space and the literature was all profit.
    Anything beyond that was pure bonus. Nowadays, they still come out ahead, but no
    pure bonus. So many low-wage earners scraping by to stay at a hotel and take the
    kids out to eat for three days just don't contribute as much as, say, educated people.

    The deals they work out for facilities is the kicker. They sign contracts that best serve
    themselves and not the dubs. In my city, there are great places in town for rent that could
    serve as excellent local Conventions spots. The donations would cover the costs but the
    added expense of great location would cut into profits, so they go out to the sticks. Many
    local dubs could skip the hotels if they stayed in town. Many out-of-towners would love a
    real city vacation with their stay instead of Motel 6 overlooking the Amoco and driving past
    corn fields.
    Facilities get their places cleaned by the JW's as a special bonus. Even if this doesn't save
    WTS money, they will continue to have rank and file clean it up, as it makes new negotiations
    easier for them. Plus it keeps the sheep busy.

    M Blueblades posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:49:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    They double dip, then triple dip.

    F Mysterious posted Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:05:00 GMT(6/14/2007)

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    It seemed like they were always running a deficit when they announced the status of the accounts halfway through the convention. Was this orchestrated as well or did more people simply choose to donate closer to the end of the session?

    F jgnat posted Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:56:00 GMT(6/15/2007)

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    Facilities get their places cleaned by the JW's as a special bonus.

    I believe our local facility is NOT pleased with the "extra cleaning". Their own contractor is insulted that his work is not considered good enough.

    I think this senseless activity is yet another marker that Witnesses can console themselves that they are not only different than their neighbours, but better.

    F jgnat posted Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:59:00 GMT(6/15/2007)

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    If the WTS sponsors these conventions, why are donations taken to cover the cost?

    Imagine the sponsors of a charity auction, for instance. They host the dinner, plan the entertainment, and line up the donated items. They expect to take in more than they invested. I guess the question remains however, what is done with the received funds? Is it given back to the community? With the Witnesses in Canada, it seems not.

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