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Who is Philip Brumley?

    M Honesty posted Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:16:00 GMT(11/11/2006)

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    Ironic, isn't it.

    http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol32I1/page14.htm

    Philip Brumley, general counsel for the Jehovah’s Witnesses, testified how the Jehovah’s Witnesses in Austria moved through the political and legal court systems for a decade towards obtaining the same religious status as other religions. Just as they were getting to the point of obtaining this religious status, the National Legislature of Austria convened and passed a law which imposes a 10-year waiting period for any organization seeking full religious recognition. “It was clearly passed with us in view,” said Brumley.

    M Abandoned posted Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:20:00 GMT(11/11/2006)

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    “It was clearly passed with us in view,” said Brumley.

    If that's true, Way To Go Austria! On the other hand, don't people in cults require a daily portion from each section of the persecution triangle?

    note: edited to replace Australia with Austria. What can I say, I've been cursed with a short attention span.

    M Honesty posted Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:36:00 GMT(11/11/2006)

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    Is it any wonder why Austria has placed restrictions on such groups as JW's when their policies conflict with decency?

    To show the Watchtower Society's legalistic view of baptism, here are some excerpts from a lengthy letter written in the early 1990s by a Watchtower attorney, Philip Brumley, to a person who questioned the Society's legal right to disfellowship him:

    I represent Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., the parent organization of the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the United States.By means of your numerous letters and telephone calls to this office, I have been informed that your membership in the organizations of Jehovah's Witnesses was terminated when you were disfellowshiped from the English Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, [xyztown], Massachusetts....

    The relationship between a congregation and its member is consensual as to both parties. A congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is a voluntary association. Both the member and the congregation have a right to determine if they will remain united. The member has the right to disassociate himself or herself from the congregation. The congregation also has the right to separate from a member if it is determined by an ecclesiastical tribunal, which Jehovah's Witnesses call a judicial committee, that a member is not conducting his or her life according to the tenets of the religion.

    A. If a member no longer wishes to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, then the member may disassociate himself or herself from the congregation. The term "disassociation" applies to the action taken by a person who, although being a baptized member of the congregation, repudiates his or her Christian standing as such, rejecting the congregation and stating that he or she no longer wants to be recognized or known as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. A brief announcement would be made to inform the congregation that the person has voluntarily disassociated himself or herself from the congregation.

    B. If a member is charged with wrongdoing and wishes to continue to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, then such one should submit to the hearings of the judicial committee. If charges of wrongdoing are brought to the attention of the body of elders of one's congregation, then they investigate the charges. If it is established that there may be substance to the charges and evidence is produced showing that a serious sin actually may have been committed, the congregation's body of elders will assign a judicial committee, consisting usually of three elders, to handle the matter....

    II. APPLICABLE SECULAR LAW

    C. Relation Between the Congregations and its members. It is axiomatic that the essence of the relationship of a religious society with its members is held by the courts to be the agreement of the parties, and generally, a profession of faith, adherence to the doctrine of the religious society and submission to its government. 76 C.J.S. Religious Societies 11 (1952). A party having voluntarily assented to becoming a member of a congregation thereby subjects himself or herself to the existing rules and procedures of said congregation and cannot deny their existence. All who unite themselves to such a voluntary religious organization do so with the implied consent to this government and are bound to submit to it....

    Since you did not disassociate yourself from the organization, then under the law you gave implied consent to its government, subjecting yourself to the existing rules and procedures and being bound legally to submit to it. The theocratic government of the congregation to which you legally submitted includes specifically the legal agency of Jehovah's Witnesses, known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., and all their duly appointed representatives, including the elders of the congregation with which you were associated.The rules and procedures which you subjected yourself to include those of the judicial committee arrangement set forth in detail above....

    Note that the above legalese says that once a person joins the Witnesses, he has only two choices if he wants to leave: disfellowshippingand disassociation. These two choices are enforced by American law. However, even if the Watchtower lawyer has correctly stated matters, he has neglected the case of the child who gets baptized and submits to "ecclesiastical law." By law minors cannot enter into legally binding contracts. Therefore by law, people who got baptized when they were children have a third legally enforceable option when they leave: to simply quit, without disassociating and without submitting to a judicial committee, or "ecclesiastical tribunal."Of course, the Society will not tell people about this.

    From the above extensive discussion by the Watchtower attorney (the complete letter contained dozens of pages) it is evident that people who become Jehovah's Witnesses are not fully informed of the rules and obligations they will be expected to obey. For example, a rank-and-file member is expected to fully obey an elder, since elders are "duly appointed representatives" of the Watchtower Society.

    The Society has given statements to the news media indicating that if a person wants to leave the Witnesses, all he has to do is quietly fade away and life will go on unchanged. The above letter from Mr. Brumley proves that these public statements are pure lies.

    From the material presented in this essay it should be clear that the Jehovah's Witnesses parent organization, the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, is a thoroughly legalistic, Pharasaic and deceptive organization. It recruits members under false pretenses and bullies them into remaining by deceptive, legalistic means. No one who wishes to be a good Christian should tolerate these practices.

    FreeChick posted Sat, 11 Nov 2006 05:31:00 GMT(11/11/2006)

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    Can you tell me where you found the letter from this attorney? Thanks!

    M DannyHaszard posted Sat, 11 Nov 2006 10:21:00 GMT(11/11/2006)

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    http://www.google.com/search?q=%22philip+brumley&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8 Who is Philip Brumley?

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    M DannyHaszard posted Sat, 11 Nov 2006 10:30:00 GMT(11/11/2006)

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    M DannyHaszard posted Sat, 11 Nov 2006 10:39:00 GMT(11/11/2006)

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    Also sometimes less often spelled with two L's as Phillip Brumley http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Phillip+Brumley&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8 Last i checked two years ago he had an upscale suite at Watchtower Patterson complex

    F fullofdoubtnow posted Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:12:00 GMT(11/11/2006)

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    Good for Austria, though it gives the wts another reason to scream "persecution".

    M garybuss posted Sat, 11 Nov 2006 12:17:00 GMT(11/11/2006)

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    Brumley is interviewed at least 1/2 hour on the Knocking video extras section. Gene Smalley too.

    Gill posted Sat, 11 Nov 2006 12:25:00 GMT(11/11/2006)

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    Is this the extremely wealthy lawyer who lives in a massive house on a large estate?

    Is his wealth from his work with the WTBTS?

    Does he solely work for the WTBTS?

    What does he earn from the WATCHTOWER?

    Does he go to meetings and out on FS?

    Are all his family JWs?

    M Honesty posted Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:24:00 GMT(11/11/2006)

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    Yep, Phil Brumley is the same Richard Cranium who is involved with other faiths when it is to the Watchtower's advantage.

    What a flock of hypocrites and liars.

    M Honesty posted Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:26:00 GMT(11/11/2006)

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    Can you tell me where you found the letter from this attorney? Thanks! FreeChick

    Just GOOGLE "Philip Brumley" and Jehovah's Witnesses" and you can read all about the dirtbag.

    M Neo posted Sun, 12 Nov 2006 01:57:00 GMT(11/12/2006)

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    Brumley is the head of Bethel's Legal Department. He is blindly obedient to the GB higher-ups and that's the reason he's there. I think his Law School was paid by the WT. The guy has got everything paid for since he is a Bethelite, but doesn't have money of his own. He is completely dependant on the Watchtower. Even if he has seen the light about the org (which I seriously doubt), he doesn't have much of a choice - he's stuck and probably can't think of any other kind of life. His energy is drained by all the assignments he is given by the GB and his wife suffers because of that. That's it - the WT wants people who can serve them unconditionally. If you've got that, you'll make it to the top.

    F Alpheta posted Sun, 12 Nov 2006 03:00:00 GMT(11/12/2006)

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    I found the following information from the New York State Bar Association Website, info for Philip Brumley; in addition, I learned through a google search that he was born in 1956, so he is 50 years old. If my math is right, he was 32 when he graduated law school. There is no information given about where he earned his undergraduate degree or when.

    Attorney Detail

    as of 11/11/2006
    Registration Number:2224871
    PHILIP BRUMLEY
    WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK INC.
    100 WATCHTOWER DR
    PATTERSON, NY 12563-2232
    United States
    (845) 306-0700
    Year Admitted in NY:1988
    Appellate Division Department of Admission:2
    Law School:BROOKLYN
    Registration Status:Currently registered
    Next Registration:

    Jan 2008

    M Gadget posted Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:24:00 GMT(11/12/2006)

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    " By law minors cannot enter into legally binding contracts. Therefore by law, people who got baptized when they were children have a third legally enforceable option when they leave: to simply quit, without disassociating and without submitting to a judicial committee, or "ecclesiastical tribunal."

    This would apply if they decided to leave while still a minor, but if they had lived as an adult following the rules wouldn't that show they tacitly accepted the contract while an adult also?

    Gill posted Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:30:00 GMT(11/12/2006)

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    Neo - So Brumley lives in luxury, the WTBTS and its minions pay for it, and he has something of a miserable marriage........(not that uncommon amongst a lot of people).

    I can imagine that he is worked like a donkey by the higher ups, but he does get a say in what is going on in the Watchtower.

    Some people love power more than money!

    M truthsetsonefree posted Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:30:00 GMT(11/12/2006)

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    This idea of minors not being legally responsible applying to leaving WT is intriguing. Has anyone actually tried this?

    tsof

    M DannyHaszard posted Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:02:00 GMT(11/13/2006)

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    Some people love power more than money

    Danny Haszard sez's-Its all about the cult trifecta of the 3 "P's" they are Power Prestige Pu%%y

    F Mysterious posted Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:08:00 GMT(11/13/2006)

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    If this is true about child baptisms we should be working to spread the word on this as much as possible.

    F Mysterious posted Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:08:00 GMT(11/13/2006)

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    If this is true about child baptisms we should be working to spread the word on this as much as possible.

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