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Are you familiar with the United Church of God, and it's magazine?
|AK - Jeff||posted Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:33:00 GMT(9/27/2006)|
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Titled simply "The Good News"?
I suscribed [free] to see what they teach. Although less insistent in having the 'truth', and showing much greater interest in people and reality, the thinking is so similar to the doctrines of the Watchtower it is a little scary. Wifey opened the one I got yesterday and thought it was AWAKE. It looks like it a bit, but slicker and better laid out. Lots of stuff about current affairs in Israel etc, as they think much of Bible prophecy is tied to literal Israel.
Anyone know if this is an offshoot of former witnesses? ANyone ever read this?
I have to be gone for a while, but will be interested in seeing anyone who knows.
Their website is ; www.gnmagazine.org
|drew sagan||posted Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:55:00 GMT(9/27/2006)|
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They are an offshoot from the Worldwide Church of God, an organization that many consider a cult. There where many scandals in the Worldwide Church of God surrounding its leader Herbert W. Armstrong, the United Church of God is a splinter group that formed.
|ozziepost||posted Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:58:00 GMT(9/27/2006)|
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From their Australian website:
What Are Our Origins? The UCG is a new church - founded in 1995. However the church history is much older than that. Our direct parent church was the Worldwide Church of God, founded by Herbert W. Armstrong in the 1930's. Before that, the church traces its history back for many hundreds of years. The UCG was formed when the WCG made major doctrinal changes to the core of the church's beliefs. At that time, many members and ministers worldwide resigned from the WCG to form the United Church of God.
|fullofdoubtnow||posted Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:08:00 GMT(9/27/2006)|
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I just looked on their site, and they have a lot of publications with titles like the jws, like "why does god permit sufferring" etc. The literature can be ordered free as well, though I didn't order any. It sounds too much like a cult for my liking.
|badboy||posted Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:24:00 GMT(9/27/2006)|
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I HAVE BEEN RECEIVING THEIR MAGAZINE SINCE ARMSTRONG WAS IN CHARGE!
ALSO RECEIVE PHILADELPHIA TRUMPET!
|sspo||posted Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:00:00 GMT(9/27/2006)|
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It looks like some cults will never die......... Armstrong died and that should have been the end of the religion since he was connected with some of his prophecies but a splinter group emerged and continues today.
There will be always a new generation that will be fooled with the teachings.
So it looks like even if some shocking event happens with the watchtower and many will leave, to kill a cult it's almost impossible, a new generation will step in because the message of living on earth has always been appealing.
|Mary||posted Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:14:00 GMT(9/27/2006)|
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Here's a link about them......they're an offshoot of Herbert Armstrong's original "Church of God" which has a zillion off-shoot churches. Years ago, I used to get that magazine "The Plain Truth". Some of it was interesting, but yes, many of their beliefs are very similar to the Witnesses. I read the story of Herbert Armstrong and his son Ted Armstrong who was DF'd from his father's church years ago, amidst much scandal, started his own offshoot called The Church of God International, got caught asking for sexual favours from his massage therapist, got kicked out of his own church (yet again) and died a couple of years ago I think.
|whyizit||posted Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:22:00 GMT(9/27/2006)|
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Mayby I have the wrong group, but I think it was the Worldwide Church of God that decided to turn itself around. I bought the DVD, but loaned it out. I found out about it through Free Minds. Some of the guys at the top of the organization came to realize they were teaching false doctrines and decided to turn it around. Of course, I'm sure there were groups that continued with the old beliefs.
Greg Albright wrote a book called Bad News Religion. He is a former member of the Armstrong religion. The book mentions nothing about other religions, but you can draw some very similar, if not identical, parallels to the WTS. I wonder if a JW would read it, since it doesn't mention the WTS?
|AK - Jeff||posted Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:33:00 GMT(9/27/2006)|
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I kinda suspected that connection - thanx for the info all.
I was in shock at the similarities - though I must state that I do not see the perverse pressure to 'accept that we have the truth or die' that permeates the WTS magazines.
Funny thing is this group does not give me the 'willys' like the witness sh*t does now. I would never take it beyond simple reading of a few magazines though - as they believe too closely what the WTS believe to suit me.
|Mary||posted Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:54:00 GMT(9/28/2006)|
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though I must state that I do not see the perverse pressure to 'accept that we have the truth or die' that permeates the WTS magazines.
Have no fear Jeff----they also believe that they, and they alone have "the Truth", they practice disfellowshipping and some of their doctrines have been just as wacky and harmful as the Witnesses. Example? At one time the WCG took that statement that Jesus made about any man who divorces his wife except on the grounds of fornication and marries another commits adultery and took it 10 steps further. Any new converts who were on their second marriages with children were forced to split up because they were living "in sin" according to the bible and they said God didn't recognize the second marriage. It made no difference if they had been together 20 days or 20 years. If they were divorced from their first spouse, that was it. There were many, many families who were forced to split up because of this totally f*cked up interpretation of the scriptures. Can you imagine the harm that did?
This is a nice little tidbit that they don't annouce to anyone when they're in the process of converting them. Like when you join the Witnesses----you only find out all their dirty little secrets after you've joined.
The WCG also had sites on the internet for ex-members. I've looked at them. Man, those guys sound just like us.
|Honesty||posted Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:03:00 GMT(9/28/2006)|
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Read my profile, Jeff.
I have family trapped in both snares set by Satan, the JW's and the Armstrongites.
|gumby||posted Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:13:00 GMT(9/29/2006)|
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Just keep looking around various faiths long enough....and you'll see dub similarities all over the place. Try becoming a Catholic and read the "Apostles' Creed". Their creed is just like the witnesses in that you must accept "the Holy Catholic Church and the Communion of Saints"....similar to the witnesses added Baptismal question stating an allegiance to "Gods Spirit Appointed Organisation". Any religious system that has men or women demanding your freedom of belief in the doctrines they have deemed as god approved.......is a cult. Gumby
Just keep looking around various faiths long enough....and you'll see dub similarities all over the place.
Try becoming a Catholic and read the "Apostles' Creed". Their creed is just like the witnesses in that you must accept "the Holy Catholic Church and the Communion of Saints"....similar to the witnesses added Baptismal question stating an allegiance to "Gods Spirit Appointed Organisation".
Any religious system that has men or women demanding your freedom of belief in the doctrines they have deemed as god approved.......is a cult.
|Mary||posted Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:15:00 GMT(9/29/2006)|
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What about your church Gumgod? What's it similar to?
p.s. try and answer in a way that don' git you in trouble.
|bebu||posted Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:22:00 GMT(9/29/2006)|
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Their creed is just like the witnesses in that you must accept "the Holy Catholic Church and the Communion of Saints"
...meaning, the universal church, not necessarily the Roman Catholic (universal) church.
|gumby||posted Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:44:00 GMT(9/29/2006)|
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Either way bebu....my good friend and buddy, it's a creed...or a statement of faith which members are expected to accept and include in their worship......along with Mary adoration......and I ain't talkin bout the hot little hussy Mary on this board either
|RR||posted Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:19:00 GMT(9/29/2006)|
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And you though the Society's bad with splinters and offshoots? YOu haven't seen anything when it comes to Armstrongism.
Here is a list, a "small" list of offshoots since he died and his Worldwide Church of God transformed itself into an orthodox church, leaving those members who accepted armstrongism to fend for themselves.
7th Day Church of God
7th Day Church of God
Active Bible Church of God
Akron Fellowship, An Inter-Dependent Church of God
Alpha and Omega Christian Foundation
Ami Israel Torah Study(formerly a part of the East Texas Fellowship)
Appalachian Church of God
Archival Christianity Study Library
(The) Assembly of the Eternal, An Independent Church of God
Assembly of God, 7th Day
Assembly of God in Christ Jesus
Associates for Scriptural Knowledge
Association for Christian Development
Assorted Flavors -Web Links to 7th Day Assemblies/Ministries
(The) Austin Fellowship
Bakersfield Church of GodP.O. Box 356, Keene, CA. 93531-6672
Believers in Christ Church of God (Redwood City)
Belleville Church of God
(The) Berean Church of God
Bethel Church of God
Bible Education Services
(The) Bible Sabbath Association
Bible Study Association
Biblical Church of God - Danville
British-Israel Church of God
Building Bridges (Phoenix, Arizona) (website link was not working and thus removed, no other contact info)
Byron's World Home Page
Calendar Information Forumhttp://groups.msn.com/CalendarInformationForum
Canadian Church of God
Celina Independent Bible Study
Central Highlands Christian Publications
Central Texas Church of God
Christ Fellowship Ministries
Christian Biblical Church of God
Christian Church of God
(The) Christian Church of God
Christian Church of God
Christian Churches of God
Christian Educational Ministries
Christian Family Church of God
Christian Fellowship Church of God
Christian Fellowship Ministries
Christian Leadership Academy
Christian Renewal Ministries International
The Christian Sabbath Bible Study
Christian Sabbath Keepers
Church Counsel Inc.
Church of God
Church of God
(The) Church of God
Church of God, 7th Day
Church of God (7th Day) (General Council of the Churches of God (7th Day))
(The) Church of God (la Iglesia de Dios)
Church of God, Atlanta Bible Fellowship
Church of God, Arizona
Church of God, Berean Fellowship
Church of God – Bible Study
Church of God Big Sandy
The Church of God, The Body of Jesus Christ
(The) Church of God, Central Arkansas
Church of God Christ the Head
Church of God, a Christian Fellowship
The Church of God (Christianos)
Church of God / Churchlight Publishing Association
Church of God, Sabbath Day
hurch Of God, Colorado
Church of God Dallas/Ft. Worth
Church of God Denton Congregation
Church of God, Downers Grove
(The) Church of God at Endeavour Hills
Church of God (Established in Modesto)
Church of God, The Eternal
Church of God Evangelistic Association
Church of God - Everett
Church of God Faithful Flock
Church of God Fellowship
Church of God Fellowship
Church of God, Fellowship
Church of God the First Fruits (or Christ the Head)
Church of God Flint Fellowship
Church of God His Beloved
Church of God Home School AssociationP.O. Box 3318 Summerville, SC 29484 http://www.coghomeschool.org
Church of God Huntington Beach
Church of God Independent
(The) Church of God, International
(The) Church of God - Internationally Affiliated Associates
Church of God of Jessamine
Church of God Kansas City
Church of God Kelowna
Church of God, Kingston, NY.
Church of God Lafayette, LA.
Church of the Living God
Church of God, Messengers
Church of God in Miami
Church of God in Michiana
Church of God – New Jersey
Church of God – New Mexico
Church of God at Northeast Ohio
(The) Church of God (Oklahoma)
Church of God the Ozarks
Church of God, Philadelphia Era
(The) Church of God – PKG
Church of God Proclaimed
Church of God - Providence
(The) Church of God Restored
Church of God Sabbatarian
Church of God Mobile, Sabbath Day
Church of God Sabbath Day
Church of God, Sabbath Day
(The) Church of God Sabbath Day
Church of God San Antonio
Church of God (Seventh Day)
Church of God, Sonoma, CA
(The) Church of God in South Africa
(The) Church of God Southern Africa
Church of God, Southern California
Church of God - Southern W. Virginia
Church of God Talents Ministries
Church of God, In Truth
Church of God United
Church of God West Houston
Church of God in the Wilderness
Church of God in Williamston, Melbourne
Church of God’s Patience (or New Jerusalem) Franklin, Indiana (Glen Alspaugh)
Churches of God, a Cooperative Fellowship
Churches of God Cyber Auxiliary
(The) Churches of God Outreach Ministries
Churches of God, UK
Church of the Great God
(The) Church of the Living God
Church of the Savior, at Cincinnati
Community Church of God
Congregation of God
(A) Congregation of God
(The) Congregation of God
(The) Congregation of God Seventh Day (Watch America)
(The) Congregation of God (YHWH)
Congregation of Yahweh
Cornerstone Evangelical Association
Dallas Congregation of the Almighty
Disciples Church of God
Disciples in Christ Bible Study
Dove Christian Fellowship
East Texas Church of God
East Texas Fellowship
End Time Assembly of God
(The) Eternal Church of God
Euclid Bible Publications
(The) Evangelistic Church of Jesus Christ
(The) Everlasting Church of God
Everett Church of God
Ezekiel Watchman Fellowship of God
Fairview Church of God
Faithful Church of God WinnipegP.O. Box 2362
Family Church of God
Fellowship Church of God
(The) Fellowship Church of God
Final Prophecy for the Church of God
First Century Church of God
Free Biblical Articleshttp://www.biblicalarticles.org.uk
Freedom Biblical Information Center
Freedom Road Ministries
Friends of the Sabbath
Friendship 7th Day Sabbath Church of God
Frontier Range Church of God
Gig Harbor Sabbath Fellowship
Giving & Sharing
God's Church Worldwide
God's Family Fellowship
God's Sacred Word
God’s Temple Congregation
Greater Phoenix Church of God
Green Pastures Gazette
Guard the Truth
Hebrew to Christian Contact
Herbert W. Armstrong Online (National Eagle)
Herbert W. Armstong Memorial
History Research Projects/Origin of Nations
Hope of Israel Ministries (Church of God)
House of Aaron - Renewed Levitical Priesthood
(The) House of God, Daytona Beach
House of Yahweh
In the City of Our God
(The) Independent Church of God of Atlanta
Independent Church of God Sabbath Fellowship Group
Independent Church of God Winnipeg
Interactive Sabbath Fellowship
Interdependent-Interactive, Church of God, Sabbath Services, Bible Studies and Open FellowshipDarwin & Laura Lee
(The) Inter-Dependent Church of God Sabbath Day
International Bible Learning Center
Intercontinental Church of God/Garner Ted Armstrong Evangelistic Association
(The) Internet Church of God
Israel of God
Jackson Church of God
(The) Journal: News of the Churches of God
Keith Hunt Biblical Studies
Lehigh Valley Sabbath Fellowship
(The) Little Children of Jesus Christ
Little Rock, Arkansas Church of God
Living Church of God
Living Room Church of God
"Living Room church of God"
Long Island Church of God Fellowship
Marie Casale’s Libraryhttp://home.earthlink.net/~mcasale
Maryland Sabbath Fellowship
Mid-Missouri Church of God
Music for the Church of God
Mystery of the Kingdom Ministry
(The) Narrow Path
New Covenant Church of God P.O. Box 246
Northeast Church of God
North Texas Church of God
(The) Oasis - A place of rest for the rest of us.
Omega Praise Worship of Southern Oregon
Open Door Bible Study
Orange County Fellowship of God
(The) Original Bible Project
Pabco's Home Page
Patriots of the Kingdom
Philadelphia Church of God
Pine Belt Biblical Foundation
Piney Woods Church of God
(The) Plainer Truth
Points of Truth Christian Ministry
(The) Pure Truth
(The) Remnant Church of God
Restoration Church of God
Restored Church of God
Return to the Father
Revelation's "Little Book"
Sabbatarian Christian Fellowship
(The) Sabbatarian Network
Sabbath Assembly of God
Sabbath Bible Study Fellowship
Sabbath-Keeping Church of God
Sabbath Keeping Singles Registry
Sabbath Singles Connection
Sabbatarian Singles Fellowship Forum
(The) Sabbath Study Center
Safe Haven Church of God
Saskatoon Sabbatarian Fellowship
(The) Scattered Brethren
Seek and Find! Ministries of the Church of El-Shaddai
Seventh Day Christian Assembly of the Church of God
Seventh Day Church of God
Seven Times Newsletter
South Avenue F - Church of God
Southern Florida Christian Fellowship
Southern New Mexico Church of God
Southern New Mexico Sabbath Fellowship
South Texas Church of God
Speak the Truth
Stedfast Church of God
Steve Bruns calendar page
(The) Thomaston Church
To the Elect Church of God
(The) Total Truth
TriCity Fellowship of God
Triumph Prophetic Ministries
(The) Truth-Glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ
(The) Truths of God
Truth on the Web Ministries
(The) Tulsa Church of God
Twentieth Century Church of God
Twin Cities Church of God
(The) Ultimate Church of God Links Page
United Biblical Church of God (The Jerusalem Sentinel)
United Christian Ministries
United Church of God - Birmingham
United Church of God, Missouri
United Church Of God (Terre Haute)
Universal Church of God
Via del Rey
Victor Kubik's Web site (a minister of the United Church of God)
Virginia Sabbath Fellowship
(The) Way Publications (Sabbath Bible Study Fellowship)
Western Maryland Sabbath Fellowship
Western Nebraska Congregation of God
Where are we now in Prophecy?
Wichita Church of God - 7th Day
Willamette Sabbath Fellowship
Windsor-Detroit Church of God
Winnipeg Church of God
Worldwide House of Yahuweh
(The) Worldwide Web Church of God
Your Choice Magazine
|badboy||posted Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:06:00 GMT(9/29/2006)|
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I AM SURE THERE WERE SOMETHING LIKE 740 SPLINTER GROUPS.
i may have have that wrong,however!
|undercover||posted Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:56:00 GMT(9/29/2006)|
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The JWs and the United Church of God are distant cousins...
I'm going by memory so I may be a little off...but The Church of God was started by Glengarry Rupert and Herbert A. Armstrong. Glengarry Rupert had ties to William Miller previous to the Church of God back when the Millerites were expecting the end of the world in 1844.
The Church of God became the Worldwide Church of God, led by Herbert A. Armstrong. The church has undergone changes over the years including some big ones in the last few years and there are lots of splinter groups as already pointed out.
How does that make JWs and Church of God(and it's reincarnations) cousins? Both Armstrong and Russell were influenced by people associated with the Millerites. George Storrs of the Millerite movement influenced C. T. Russell. Jonas Wendel of the Millerites influenced Nelson Barbour of the 2nd Adventists who influenced C. T. Russell and Glegarry Rupert influenced Armstrong. All in all, the Church of God(and splinters), 2nd Day Adventists, Seventh Day adventists, Christadelphians, Bible Students and JWs are all related with common ancestry to the Millerite movement of the early-mid 1800s.
|RR||posted Sat, 30 Sep 2006 00:14:00 GMT(9/30/2006)|
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And I suspect that one day the same faye will befall Jehovah's Witnesses. With little splinter groups of Jehovah's Witnesses. independent of the WTS. It is already happening, particularly in Europe.
|email@example.com||posted Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:30:00 GMT(1/4/2008)|
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United Church of God, IA is an offshoot of World Wide Church of God started by Herbert W. Armstrong around WWII. Mr. Armstrong was strongly influenced by 7th Day Adventists before founding World Wide. He denied any ties to 7th Day in a number of articles, despite sources siting his membership and contributions. He left 7th Day over a number of issues such as the sabbath. 7th Day and Witnesses share a common thread in the late 1800s so that could account for the similarities. Starting in the 1970's, World Wide began adopting more liberal outlooks on scripture. By the 1990s the church fell apart into several splinter groups. The United Church of God, IA is the largest of these groups, holding to many of Mr. Armstrong's original teachings. Key differences of United and Witnesses: Observance of Old Testament Holy Days, Saturday Sabbath, & Tithing. Also, Early 20th century (1914) holds no key significance for United members. Hope this was helpful, look up Herbert W. Armstrong on Wikipedia for more in-depth information. Denise Jeff Wrote: Titled simply "The Good News"? I suscribed [free] to see what they teach. Although less insistent in having the 'truth', and showing much greater interest in people and reality, the thinking is so similar to the doctrines of the Watchtower it is a little scary. Wifey opened the one I got yesterday and thought it was AWAKE. It looks like it a bit, but slicker and better laid out. Lots of stuff about current affairs in Israel etc, as they think much of Bible prophecy is tied to literal Israel. Anyone know if this is an offshoot of former witnesses? ANyone ever read this? I have to be gone for a while, but will be interested in seeing anyone who knows. Their website is ; www.gnmagazine.org More Later. Jeff