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Swartzentruber Amish Ordnung

    F blondie posted Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:16:00 GMT(2/5/2006)

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    Sometimes I wonder, is there a religion with worse doctrines. Yes and no, while the rules about clothing and material possessions is more strict, much is very similar to the WTS.

    http://www.amishabuse.com/ordnung.htm

    The Ordnung is not about scripture out of the New Testament or the salvation of your soul, but it is about control. This is what the Swartzenruber Amish Religion is based on. Any infraction of these rules is seriously punished.

    M Forscher posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 01:52:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    Das ist richtig Blondie!
    Amish religion is just as controlling as the JW's, if not more so. It looks like the Swartzenrubers may me just exactly what the Governing Body aspires to. Legalism in the extreme.
    Forscher

    F juni posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 02:08:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    Very interesting information. Parallel in a lot of ways to JW religion because of the org. telling you what you can do and can't do down to the minuteness.

    I'd like to know how the women kept up their socks (string, buttons?) so they wouldn't fall down past their ankles. Loose, baggy underwear? That must feel great. And no p.j.s for the menfolk? Yep. RULE AFTER RULE.............................

    Juni

    minimus posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 02:17:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    But the Amish make some beautiful things.

    F Sunspot posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 02:47:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    I found this quite fascinating, Blondie. I knew there were Amish and Mennonites, but really never knew there were divisions even between those sects!

    We have a LOT of these folks (I'm not sure which one they belong to) around here, and see them mostly in Walmart and the P&C grocery chain right next to it. I have no idea where they come from or where they live, or what type of community they are in, if any.

    They do have the buggies with the triangle on the back, and the women and children most often wear white sneakers with the velcro closings. I have yet to see (in my 32 years living here) ONE of these men in a store. It's funny, I have no idea where they go when the women and kiddies are shopping!

    I have an adventurous spirit and I would love to follow one of the buggies to see where they live! Unfortunately I cannot drive, and asking someone to sit and wait in the Walmart parking lot to follow someone driving a buggy....is a bit more than I can do!

    I may never know anything more about our many Amish/Mennonite neighbors.

    Annie

    M ocsrf posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 03:04:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    Blondie,

    Very interesting, enjoyed reading about this group. I used to live within a couple hours of an Amish community and bought a shed from them. They do a great job in building things, but what became apprarent is that they know how to circumnavigate their own rules. Seems silly to have so many rules if all your going to do is try to get around them.

    OC

    M Cognitive_Dissident posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 06:43:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    Only slightly off topic, but has anyone seen or heard about this documentary? Doesn't sound like the Swartzentruber branch would have it. The practice that is, not the DVD.

    Devil's Playground

    This Sundance Festival sensation has attracted attention because of its jarring images of Amish kids immersed in debauchery: plain-dressed girls in white bonnets slugging back beers and flicking ashes from their cigarettes, boys passing out in the back of pickups after all-night parties, even Amish teens in bed together. But like a good drama, it's the characters themselves and their heartbreaking dilemma that linger in the mind. In the Amish vernacular, "Devil's Playground" refers to the "English" or outside world. The protected teens are suddenly thrust into this world upon their 16th birthday as they begin "Rumspringa," a period during which they decide whether to join the church as adults. Crystallizing this predicament is the 73-minute documentary's most compelling figure, 18-year-old Faron, a preacher's son fighting drug addiction. His earnest intent to return to the church and astonishing articulateness makes his misadventures in the drug underworld and penal system undeniably poignant.

    CD

    F Sheepish posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:55:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    We live close to Amish. I shop at an Amish store. They are like everyone else, in that some of them really believe and follow it and feel it in their hearts, and others are just stuck in the community, so they become legalistic etc...

    **side note: not long ago there was a local scandal involving a divorce between an Amish couple...seems he was driving her buggy...sorry...

    metatron posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:32:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    The Amish will survive whereas the Watchtower will not because they have built up an infrastructure for their subculture

    while the Watchtower tears down what little infrastructure of support exists for the friends.

    No more food service at assemblies, no subscriptions, reduced Awakes, and now downsizing at Bethel. Imagine playing

    a game of "Jenga" in which you remove blocks, one at a time, until the structure collapses.

    Who's going to still be around in ten or twenty years? Not the organization!

    metatron

    F blondie posted Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:47:00 GMT(2/6/2006)

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    Metatron, you didn't read those websites very carefully. Don't confuse the Swartzentruber Armish with the other 4 segments. The Swartzenruber consider the other Amish of the Devil.

    Leaving this group that truly isolates people from going to any school with the "English" children is much different from the WTS discouraging college.

    I invite you to look at this man's endeavor to get others out of the Swartzenruber Amish.

    This group most likely are not the Amish many of you are familiar with.

    Blondie

    M Cognitive_Dissident posted Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:43:00 GMT(2/7/2006)

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    That ordnung is absolutely maddening, and the story is absolutely heartbreaking.

    F serendipity posted Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:53:00 GMT(2/7/2006)

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    JWs compare very well to this group.

    F Country Girl posted Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:12:00 GMT(2/21/2008)

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    Thought I'd bring up this old post to point out some help we could offer to Amish children who have suffered abuse. David Yoder is attempting to get 200,000 signatures to help get an initiative on the ballot: The Amish Children's Equal Protection Act, which would give Amish children the same rights as all other children in America, and also serve to protect them under the Child Labor Laws.

    www.amishdeception.com

    M willyloman posted Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:03:00 GMT(2/21/2008)

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    Remember the quote by Kirstie Alley in that Tim Allen movie about their "liberal ordnung"?

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