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What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW???

minimus	What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:28:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
Post 17295 of 29712 Since 7/3/2002	JWs tell their flock that they are superior to "worldly ones". That they're better. How would you refute that???
ButtLight	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:30:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
Post 1772 of 4399 Since 3/18/2005	Were not many of them wordly at one time?????
prophecor	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:32:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
Pennsylvania Post 3427 of 5050 Since 12/4/2003	Better to ask who was a worldly witness and who tried to act like they wern't a worldly witness, even though they really were?
Finally-Free	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:35:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
Ontario Post 1487 of 8528 Since 7/15/2005	A "worldly" person has a conscience. The JW conscience is not owned by the individual - it is owned by the corporation, and the corporation is free to distort the individual conscience at any time without notice. W
minimus	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:38:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
Post 17296 of 29712 Since 7/3/2002	now where getting somewhere....
mark hughes	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:53:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
England, Hampshire Post 61 of 200 Since 1/4/2006	A "worldly person" will listen to an argument/discussion on religious beliefs, give their opinion and answer questions about their opinion and listen to constructive criticism about their opinion. A "jw" will not listen to an argument/discussion on other peoples religious beliefs, will only discuss their beliefs, will only answer questions that they feel like answering and ignore all the rest, and if anyone should criticize their beliefs they will tell them that they will die a horrible death of fire, eyes gouged out, head cut of etc...etc...at Armageddon.
diamondblue1974	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:58:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
England, Greater Manchester Post 1604 of 3508 Since 2/1/2005	A JW is imperfect, prone to making mistakes, will screw things up on a monumental level once in a while, will generally not always make the best decisions but deep down wants to do whats right for the most part. A worldly person is generally the same however doesnt mind admitting that fact!
drew sagan	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:01:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
Post 203 of 4213 Since 8/16/2005	Actually JWs are not told that they are better in such a direct sense. Instead they are given vaiours generalized "facts" that tend to encourage the idea that those "in the truth" are much more sound that those "crazy" people in the world. I've heard CO's and DO's speak to the congregations about how they need to remember that we are not better than anybody, and that we need to preach the good news to everybody. Of course, this is then followed by talks that relate in general and nondescriptive "points" about how the world is crazy and we are so much more sound because (and here is the point) of our BIBLE TRAINED CONSCIENCE. I think the best way to argue this one is by asking a JW if they feel that there is really NOBODY ELSE but JWs in the world trying to live by the Bibles Standards. Are they all really hypocrites, down to the last one? Or are there people out there that do try to apply these things? EVERY JW IS TAUGHT THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS OF COURSE THERE ARE!!!! Rembmer we have to find those "deserving ones" out there? Those with the right "heart condition"! Then whats the purpose for that general "worldly" label put on everything, if it dosn't apply to everybody? Try that out to make their head spin.
minimus	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:24:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
Post 17297 of 29712 Since 7/3/2002	A "worldly" person is normal. A JW is not.
undercover	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:49:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
Post 3316 of 8334 Since 9/25/2002	JWs live in a black and white world. Good vs Evil. Jehovah vs. Satan. There is no middle ground. You're either accepted by God(read: the WTS) or you're not. Worldly people, in the eyes of JWs, fall into the Evil catagory. Nothing is redeemable about worldly people. Nothing is good if it is not part of God's organization. Most worldly people see the world in shades of gray and adjust their opinion and beliefs over the course of time based on new information and new developments. They're willing to consider evidence that can change their opinion on something. They will debate issues to better understand what they think they know and what others know. The only thing JWs change are Bible-based doctrines when their leaders change policies because of legal or money problems. Normal worldly people don't see Evil in everything they don't understand. They don't look for bad in everything that doesn't agree with thier sensibilities.
minimus	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:00:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
Post 17299 of 29712 Since 7/3/2002	It seems then that there's a lot of JWs still here. :)
greendawn	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:33:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
England Post 3402 of 12654 Since 4/9/2004	A JW is a worldly person that made a few cosmetic improvements to his personality and thinks that he is totally different from the rest of mankind, he deserves paradise but they do not.
Forscher	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:45:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
Post 525 of 1912 Since 12/6/2004	Worldy people have more fun! Hee, hee, hee!
atypical	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:46:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
Post 367 of 852 Since 9/30/2005	I would attack from a different angle, and make them identify clearly who is considered worldly. I would ask questions like these: 1. How do you define "wordly"? 2. Who is more worldly, an elder who secretly committs adultery, or an inactive person who supports his elderly witness parents? 3. Who decides who is worldly? Jehovah, or people? 4. If it's people, are they using their own criteria, or the bible's? 5. If it's Jehovah, then how can we be sure if a person is really wordly, or in "the truth"? 6. Does Jehovah judge only, or does he allow people to judge for him? 7. If an elder who secretly practices sin wrongly disfellowships a repentant believer, is that disfellowshipped one really wordly? 8. If a sincere elder does not disfellowship a person who unrepentantly practices sin, is that sinner really in "the truth"? 9. So can you really define who is "wordly" by their membership in an organization?
TallTexan	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:53:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
California Post 354 of 499 Since 6/3/2004	Oh, I dunno. How 'bout referring to that little black book (or green one if you're old enough) called the Bible. Show them Jesus' discussion of the Pharisees praying on the street corner and how he dismisses those that think too highly of himself. Or "He who is standing should be wary he does not fall". When you ask why the are superior, they will say it's because they are the most well-educated Bible students on earth. Review with them the scriptures on pride, humility, outward displays of self-righteousness. They probably won't make the connection, but at least you tried. The real difference between 'worldly' and JW.....worldly people have the ability to think independently, JW's have the ability to be dependent on an organization to run their lives.
FairMind	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:40:00 GMT (1/17/2006)
Alabama Post 856 of 1484 Since 11/28/2003	I always start talking about someone (a JW or ex-JW) I know who was raised in the TRUTH and subsequently did some very bad things perhaps winding up in prison. It's important that the example used is someone born into the organization as this prevents the comeback that they just reverted back to their worldly ways.
JAVA	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:30:00 GMT (1/18/2006)
Ohio Post 1454 of 1788 Since 12/14/2000	The difference between a normal worldy person and a JW is mind control.
sass_my_frass	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:44:00 GMT (1/18/2006)
Australian Capital Territory Post 370 of 3717 Since 4/1/2005	I'm glad you put "Worldly Person" in quotes, as they have their own definition of the word. Most "Worldly People" would be proud that somebody considers them 'streetwise' and 'experienced'.
jojochan	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:10:00 GMT (1/18/2006)
Post 3 of 980 Since 1/17/2006	I agree w/ java on that one. It's soooo bizarre. If you put me in a room with a bunch of people, in some weird way I could spot a dub WAY across the room. The difference? hmm... one HAS freedom while the other "claims" to have "true" freedom. IMHO.
Poztate	Re: What's The Difference Between A "Worldy Person" & JW??? posted Wed, 18 Jan 2006 03:58:00 GMT (1/18/2006)
Post 1275 of 2230 Since 10/6/2003	A "worldly" person is normal. A JW is not. I got into this a few times with my wife.At times she will get on one of her"worldly people" rants. I just say you mean regular normal people don't you ? She never does really see the point but then I am married to a "lifer"

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