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Conversation with my JW co-worker!

    Kool Jo posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:14:08 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    Good day…so this is the conversation I had with a co-worker of mine I mentioned in an earlier thread…she’s a JW and doesn’t know that I was associated with the JW’s before and that I’m a fader. She’s a good coworker, who once resigned to learn ASL & pioneer….she quickly came to her senses and reapplied for her job in realizing she needs money to survive!

    Now I must admit, I was attracted to her prior to knowing that she was a JW…but since I’ve found out she’s a JW, I mainly talk to her about work related stuff…however, a discussion came up at work pertaining to religion & out of the blue she asked me my opinion. Below is the conversation that followed:

    JW co-worker: It’s so unbelievable that people don’t believe in God, after all when I studied science in school, I was so amazed by the human body! What do you think Kool Jo?

    Kool Jo: (Totally caught off guard & was on my tablet browsing JWN): Well you know..there are various reasons why persons aren’t interested in religion nor God. As a matter of fact, as time goes by, I think religion will continue to see a decline! Many people see the hypocrisy in religion, child abuse, and extravagant lifestyle by various religious leaders and as such aren’t interested.

    JW co-worker: Well you know Kool Jo, just like how a banker studies a genuine note; he will know that any other bill will be counterfeit, so you just need to study the real note. In a similar manner, when you study the true religion, you'll know that all others are false!

    Kool Jo: (I couldn’t help but chuckle inside, because I worked in a bank for a few years whilst attending college…besides I knew this would be the typical JW response) You know, my uncle is agnostic and thinks realistically. For example, many persons wonder why if there is a God so much suffering exists? Let me ask you JW co-worker, if I were a billionaire and I knew that you were going to be hungry tonight, what point would I be proving if I allowed you to go hungry? Do people have to go church to live a moral life? Did you that many persons have long lasting marriages/relationships without going to church or studying the Bible!

    JW co-worker: Well you know, those are really good questions, but JW’s have been able to answer such questions to those who listen to us!

    Kool Jo: So what do you think about the child abuse that takes place in churches?

    JW co-worker: Well, people are imperfect, and the difference with JW’s are that we take stuff like that very serious.

    Kool Jo: The other thing that people dislike about religion is their involvement in wars and their followers not being open to think outside of what they’re being taught at church.

    JW co-worker: That’s true….anyways Kool Jo, it was great talking to you, but I have some paperwork to go file.

    Kool Jo: (There wasn’t any paperwork to file as it was 07:00AM) Ok take care and enjoy your day!

    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    So that was the conversation that lasted a few minutes, but her body language suggests that she was thinking for a few minutes and then went back into the JW defensive mode.

    This was the conversation the following morning:

    Kool Jo: Good morning, how are you doing?

    JW co-worker: I’m ok, but I feel like I coming down with a cold.

    Kool Jo: Someone partied too late last night?

    JW co-worker: That’s a good joke Kool Jo, but you know, as a JW, I speak to people about my beliefs. After leaving work at 3PM, I was out until 9PM talking to the neighbors & into the local shopping district (a JW hangout spot for a few of the local congregations). It started to rain & I got soaked, I even had to wear a different pair of shoe at work today! Hopefully, I won’t feel sick.

    Kool Jo: I’m so sorry to hear…please take some vitamins and get some rest later when you go home!

    JW co-worker: This evening I have meetings at my local Kingdom Hall, so I have a long night.

    Kool Jo: Ok then, take good care of yourself!

    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    I don’t know what to think of my co-worker:

    - On her profile, she talks some crap about everlasting life…however, one of her pics that she has up shows her with the peace sign up in the air..some elders would consider that to be “wordly”

    - She attends various concerts…Celine Dion, ect

    - Neither of her parents are JW, she lives with her grandma who’s a JW…neither of her 2 siblings are JW...her younger brother got into trouble with the Law a couple times after he stabbed someone.

    - She proudly tells her co-workers that she’s waiting on a JW to get into a relationship with.

    P

    F lovelylil posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:33:24 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    Wow! I just realized how very annoying I must have been when I was trying to witness to my co-workers back in the day.

    The experience of looking in from the outside and knowing what we know if very interesting though isn't it? When I talk to witnesses now who do not know I was one, I am immediately drawn to their glazed over eyes and can see the wheels in thier mind turning, trying to come up with the next convincing thing to say.

    Really, I don't know how you did not stop and laugh your head off.

    Tater-T posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:41:22 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    you should start showing her stuff you just googled... since she peaked your interest in JW'S ... see her reactions to say conti verdict

    Tiktaalik posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:42:26 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    >> - She attends various concerts…Celine Dion, ect

    Run!

    trujw posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:43:33 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    Why not ask her about her beliefs then leave it at that. A few days later say I thought about what you said and have a few questions. Then maybe bring up some things about their past mistakes you read about online. I was thinking this generation will by NO means pass away and quote the 1984 watchtower with all the old people on it so she can look it up. Then you can ask if they were wrong about that how do you know that what you believe now wont change? Does truth change?

    Bob_NC posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 02:24:45 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    An idea! Tell her that you heard Fred Franz giving a speech on the internet and that you think he has a distinguished speaking voice. Then play her F Franz talking up 1975 at the District Convention.

    Listener posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 02:58:22 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    This is typically a JW notion and happens to be very offensive -

    JW co-worker: Well, people are imperfect, and the difference with JW’s are that we take stuff like that very serious
    .

    I would ask her how do they take it more seriously than others.

    ruderedhead posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 03:19:10 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    You need to do some witnessing! Since she brought her religion up, time to SLOWLY share with her things you have come across about jw's after your conversations with her. She made you curious, so you did some research.

    M Honesty posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 03:52:21 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    Run, Kool Jo, run, run.

    RUN before it's too late.

    She doesn't have anywhere else to go except the cult.

    ABibleStudent posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 03:56:42 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    Hi Kool Jo, Your JW co-worker's behavior is very typical and predictible if you use Steve Hassan's model to understand dangerous cult members behavior. JWs have an authentic persona and a cult persona, so they may appear like two different people.

    Since cult members' behavior is predictible, you need to be flexible to penetrate her defenses. I would recommend reading Steve Hassan's books (especially his latest book "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visiting his website, and/or watching the following video.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw-oF-Z_I7U

    If you ask her about Candace Conti's case, first provide her specific examples about how the Catholic Church protected pedophile priests from law enforcement, ask her how she feels religions could protect children, and get her to talk about how she would feel if the Watchtower and its leaders protected pedophiles from being prosecuted. After she tells you about her feelings, then show her a news article about Candace Conti being awarded millions of dollars and ask her simple question about whether the Watchtower should be prosecuted for protecting that pedophile. If she remains silent, let her think until she says something in defense of the Watchtower or that she has to do paperwork, and then ask her simple questions such as why she is avoiding answering your question. Remember be flexible and be prepared to respond for predictible JW defenses such as platitudes, running away, and rationalizations.

    Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

    Robert

    return of parakeet posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 05:11:02 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    " She attends various concerts…Celine Dion, ect "

    She's not only a braindead dub, she's possessed by the Devil too. Look at the music she likes! Celine Dion???

    Phizzy posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 09:40:59 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    I think you really are Cool Kool Jo ! you are taking just the right approach to help her to think, nothing threatening at all in what you say, I would keep it that way.

    It is so easy to fall in to the trap of scoring a "win" by exposing some JW/WT false teaching or evil, such as child abuse, and then you blow your cover, and maybe do not convince them on that point.

    The art is to get them to think and question for themselves, I think you are doing well, keep it up. The young lady obviusly has a pre-cult personanlity, work on that too, find out about her life and thoughts before she became a J.W, however young she was, what did she enjoy then ?

    Just one caveat, don't fall in love with her until you have got her out ! years of heartache could be yours if she is not really free.

    Aussie Oz posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:27:57 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    sounds like she was rehearsing a part for a convention demo...

    Oz

    total avoidance of everything you had to say

    M Black Sheep posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:36:38 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LL01klH0s

    M besty posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:52:53 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    Tell her that you heard Fred Franz giving a speech on the internet and that you think he has a distinguished speaking voice. Then play her F Franz talking up 1975 at the District Convention.

    genius.

    Pickler posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:53:23 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    Hey Kool Jo, it sounds like she is getting some field service time in at work.

    M William Penwell posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 11:13:27 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    Hey Kool Jo, it sounds like she is getting some field service time in at work.

    You know she was counting the time.

    LoisLane looking for Superman posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 11:41:10 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    This is interesting. I hope you will keep us posted.

    It is so weird knowing TTATT and hearing how your Co-worker is trying to explain it to you.

    You know she is a sweet-heart and trying her hardest, give her points for that.

    Just Lois

    Fernando posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 12:15:38 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    Maybe you could ask her to explain what the gospel is in one word?

    (It is a message - even often described as such in their own magazines).

    This is a great way for her to choose to redflag her ignorance of spirituality 101.

    punkofnice posted Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:29:40 GMT(2/1/2013)

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    Glad you handled it like you did. I wonder how many FS hours and return visits she counted.

    My daughter is much the same as this young lady. Uber JW but also a real person depending upon which personality is required. However, loyalty to the organization(R) over rides logic and life.

    There are so many things wrong with the WBT$ it's hard to know where to begin and how. Just keep it low key. Ask the odd bombshell question with stealth.

    I hope she wakes up. Looking forward to her first post.

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