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Australian brothers VERY negative comments regarding new "generations" ... some leaving Bethel..will this blow up in the Watchtowers face?

    M Witness 007 posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:19:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    A brother I spoke with from Bethel to me seemed discouraged and lacking zeal latley...he spoke of leaving which shocked me since he was there for decades...he left to get a full time job!!! I cant believe it. It was his whole reason for living since I've known him! Others have said the new doctrine of "blended generations" of anionted seeing Armagedon is "confusing" or "I just don't get it"...one brother my only close friend is furious and said I qoute..."they seem to be blowing smoke up our ass!" A week later he's texting me about finding "bad things about Rutherford...Bethsarim on Youtube..."

    In 30 years I hope to be alive to see this Blow up in the Watchtowers face! WHAT THEN? Watchtower 2045 = "The Generation that knew the Generation before....is the new Generation...we welcome our new 27 year old anionted Governing body members..."

    M OnTheWayOut posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:35:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    This is going to be troubling. They knew it when they released it. But they are operating in crisis mode. If they do something, there is trouble. If they do nothing, the trouble is worse because virtually all the young ones will leave and the older ones are tiring of waiting.

    This latest urgent message, while troubling, will allow them to beg and prod the members for their inheritance of their lifesavings. "Give it to us instead of those kids that left the truth." It will allow the current Governing Body to stay in the limelight the rest of their lives- possibly the real goal.

    It is trouble and we need to exploit that. I think it won't blow up in their faces in 30 years, but it will be trouble now and will blow up in 50 or more years when the ridiculousness of extending the lives finally is seen by members and they offer something else. But the ridiculousness can be seen now, so we need to point it out. Your bethel friend saw it and so can others.

    F LongHairGal posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:38:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    Witness007,

    It seems they have been 'blowing smoke.....' for generations it seems. I am not gloating over this because it seems such a tragedy for anybody who fervently 'believed' in this religion. I know what it is like to feel like you have been sucker punched and what a sick feeling in your stomach once you have realized what a fool you have been to have fallen for this even a little bit.

    I am almost ten years into a 'fade' so the feeling has worn off and has been replaced by contempt. I wish all these people well in finding their way out.

    minimus posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:45:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    They have historically gotten more conservative and demanding. The Organization allows no liberal views. It's hardline. And the idea is "we'd rather have a small core of true believers than a large number of faithless ones."

    JWoods posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:51:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    They have historically gotten more conservative and demanding. The Organization allows no liberal views. It's hardline. And the idea is "we'd rather have a small core of true believers than a large number of faithless ones."

    Anybody who doubts this has only to read the 9/15/2010 Watchtower.

    peacedog posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:22:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    Honestly, if the rank and file swallow the latest "generation" interpretation, well then the GB can pretty much convince them of anything, can't they?

    In 30 or 50 years or whatever the number is, they'll come up some new interpretation of "this generation", maybe regurgitating the 1995 or 2008 interpretation.... eventually they'll once again come up with a way to tie it to a 'short' time frame in some absurd manner..... and the dubbies will eat it up.

    Wash, rinse, repeat.

    M darth frosty posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:26:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    Agree with Min and Jwoods. The hard core 20% will rally close to the Borg. My friend had a discussion with someone about this and there response to the change...'Well that was never a core doctrine.' WTF?!?

    This will just serve to bring the truly brain-conditioned into even more sub-servience to the GB.

    M jookbeard posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:50:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    from the WTS leaderships point of view I would say that this is worrying, their BS cant last surely huge cracks are now appearing

    F Gayle posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:56:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    Witness007,,thank you for sharing this response,,I hope this will be the 'last straw for many',,it is sad,,but I hope such attitude will trickle down to others with time,,it is now easy for them to check YouTube and sites and hopefully their momentum of freedom will pick up. It is a bitter thing for people who have spent their best years, and now have disappointment..but when younger ones hear of this, they will consider this circumstance and do what they need to avoid this.

    Seeing this is almost like watching a type of 'avalanche' start, even if it is a small avalanche. Of course, I don't expect a total avalanche,,but partial would be grand.

    Many JWs may not be thinking anything about the slight "generation" rumble, may not even feel it now,,but if they notice strong ones, mature ones start running, maybe they'll reconsider. The GB count on the ones noticing to not say anything or enforce to throw out them before they can say anything.

    M Witness 007 posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:22:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    Funny but most Witnesses I talked to still don't fully understand it....one sister this week even after the Watchtower study didn't get it.....she said she hoped the "end" would come in the next 5 years since she can't "hold on" with all her problems....she said things can't possibly get any worse...I had to almost use a chalk and black board to try to Explain the "new light."

    F Gayle posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:52:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    I had to almost use a chalk and black board to try to Explain the "new light."

    Comical, that the mis-labelled apostates have to explain the 'new light' of the GB to the rank & file. This is the most humorous, sad story.

    M undercover posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:58:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    This is good news...

    Sure, a good many dubs will just nod their heads and accept whatever tripe the GB hands down without even so much as trying to understand it...

    but maybe there are also a good many who haven't completely shut their brains down and as they try to understand this new 'generation' teaching, they'll come to the realization that maybe, just maybe, the GB is full of it, or at best is guessing.

    Once those doubts start to surface, it's only a matter of time before they're here posting...

    OUTLAW posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:09:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    The Generation Change is going to piss off a lot of JW`s..

    Too Bad!!..

    The WBT$ does not care..

    The WBT$ attitude is..

    If you don`t like the WBT$..GET OUT!!..

    There are plenty of JW`s that do..Thats who the WBT$ wants..

    The rest of you can all walk west,till your hat floats..

    ............................ ...OUTLAW

    F blondie posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:35:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    The 1995 generation pissed people off, a lot of jws that thought they would live to see the end, never dying but they stayed. They have too much invested.

    JWoods posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:45:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    The 1995 generation pissed people off, a lot of jws that thought they would live to see the end, never dying but they stayed. They have too much invested.

    Strange now to think that 1995 was fifteen years ago.

    IsaacJ22 posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:46:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    I tend to agree with Blondie. I'm sure some people will finally throw up there hands and leave, but the majority will just stay. Problems like this have happened many times before and the WTS is still here. If you're hoping to see the tower fall in your life time, I really wouldn't get my hopes up about this one.

    Still, if you know any Witnesses who are near the fence, this might be enough to put them on it. You might be able to tip them over.

    Beyond that, I wouldn't count on this doing very much. Sorry. :(

    Cadellin posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:46:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    They have too much invested

    Bingo! That's it exactly, exactly what I'm seeing in my own relatives. It truly is a matter of "Where else can we go?" Sadly, they have given everything to this organization and would literally lose it all if they left. It's especially true for born-ins with the entire extended family all super-zealous. Damn.

    Violia posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:49:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    The theme of the DC being to stay close to the org. Stay close and do what they say, no matter how irrational it sounds. There are so many elders and jws in right now that do not agree with a lot of the doctrines yet they will stay b/c if you are at least a 2nd generation jws they have your family. Many of us that grew up in the org are 3+ generation. Also, even those that leave will sometimes shun you if you leave for apostacy.

    F snowbird posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:49:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    The WT is still reeling from the 1995 "generation" mess.

    http://www.seanet.com/~raines/palliative.html

    Syl

    miseryloveselders posted Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:52:00 GMT(7/6/2010)

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    1995, that is crazy. It's been that long now? Wow. I had just graduated high school at that time. I was talking with my dad last week and I expressed my usual reservations, but never do I go too far with it. But I told him, if I reach age 60 in "this system of things", I'm gonna be very angry. His response floored me. He said, "no you won't. You'll accept it and continue on, like I did. You get older and you learn to go with the flow." I might have his words mixed up just a bit, but that pretty much was his response to me. He also said, "what they were telling us years ago about it almost being here was all crap. Now we see things coming to a climax in this world. Never has it been this bad. You'll live to see it Misery. I'll probably be gone, but you'll see it!" I love this man dearly, idolize him so much, and he's done far too much for me to ever hurt him. But reality is what it is, and he's deluded. I guess like others mentioned, he's got too much invested in this religion.

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