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In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz

    snowbird In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:36:00 GMT (6/3/2010) edit


    United States Alabama

    Post 16153 of 25315
    Since 5/2/2007

    My Thoughts On Ray Franz

    Living down here in the backwoods of Alabama, we were privy to very little of what was going on in WT world.  Most of us never heard about the shake-up at headquarters during the 80's.  I read and dismissed the Time article about Ray Franz; heard and dismissed whispers from one local elder about "certain apostate happenings up there in Gadsden."

    I knew that he was a nephew of Fred Franz; I had once gone up to Tuscaloosa to hear him speak, and I knew that a lot of JW's thought the world of that uncle of his.  What I didn't know was the extent to which Fred Franz had promoted 1975 as the end of a system of things, and that he had been instrumental in driving his nephew out of the WT.

    I learned all of that from reading CofC; I also learned about the Malawi/Mexico conundrum, the alternative military service fiasco, and the non-allowable bedroom intimacies debacle.

    I wept at his confession that he regretted not having children, raged at the GB's callousness toward the suffering of JW's in Malawi, recoiled in horror at their duplicity in allowing Mexican JW's to bribe officials concerning military service.

    I applauded his frankness in confessing that it was hard for him to maintain celibacy while living at a missionary home with female JW's.  I was also impressed with the fact that he stressed that he and Cynthia always practiced stringent birth control so as not to interrupt their full-time ministry.

    Throughout the book, Ray Franz's love for God, justice, and Christian freedom shines brilliantly.  My prayer is that the God he loved so much will remember him for good.    

    Sylvia

    laverite Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:42:00 GMT (6/3/2010) edit




    Post 10 of 1127
    Since 5/23/2010

    Sylvia,

    That was beautiful!

    snowbird Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:43:00 GMT (6/3/2010) edit


    United States Alabama

    Post 16154 of 25315
    Since 5/2/2007

         

    Psychotic Parrot Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:52:00 GMT (6/3/2010) edit




    Post 647 of 740
    Since 3/10/2009

    Did he died?

    OUTLAW Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:54:00 GMT (6/3/2010) edit


    Canada British Columbia

    Post 16479 of 23826
    Since 10/11/2001

    Sylvia..

               That was nice..

                                ............................OUTLAW

    snowbird Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:57:00 GMT (6/3/2010) edit


    United States Alabama

    Post 16157 of 25315
    Since 5/2/2007

     

    Scarred for life Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:01:00 GMT (6/3/2010) edit


    United States Georgia

    Post 1324 of 1703
    Since 7/1/2008

    Beautiful remembrance.

    snowbird Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:21:00 GMT (6/3/2010) edit


    United States Alabama

    Post 16172 of 25315
    Since 5/2/2007

    Thanks, Scarred. 

    Syl

    AGuest Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:56:00 GMT (6/3/2010) edit


    United States California

    Post 4204 of 9060
    Since 3/26/2001

    I didn't know Mr. Franz, dear Sylvie (peace to you, my dear!)... nor have I read either of his books.  His calling was a bit different than mine; however, the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, sets the members of [Christ's] Body just as HE wishes, through Christ, and so I refrained from posting previously out of respect for Mr. Franz and those those who loved and respected him (I didn't want to draw any attention away - the time was his).  Although I never felt compelled to read his books I have never doubted Mr. Franz's good heart and "christlike" intentions.  Mr. Franz was, IMHO, a very honorable man and his good work of exposing the WTBTS hypocrisy... to the benefit of a great many... will not go unrewarded as the Most Holy One of Israel is not so unrighteous so as to forget such a man... and such a sacrifice.

    I must admit that I am sometimes a little surprised at the, well, "surprise" expressed by some when relating something revealed in one of his books (not the issue itself, but that they didn't really believe/accept that the WTBTS is fake until they heard it from [one of] the horses' mouths - absolutely NO offense intended).  But I totally understand it because I understand the "hold" of the WTBTS... and the "freedom" from it that some have realized as a result of reading Mr. Franz's book(s).  In that light, as my Lord is recorded to have said, "He that is not against you... is for you." 

    Mr. Franz WAS for those like me because he was for Christ and carried his own particular "torture tree" to demonstrate that.  Like Moses, he "esteemed the reproach of the Christ as riches greater than the treasures of [the WTBTS]; for he looked intently toward the payment of the reward.  By faith he left [the WTBTS], but not fearing the anger of [the GB and its minions], for he continued steadfast as seeing the One who is invisible."  Hebrews 11:26, 27 

    Because of this, I would ask those who loved him to NOT let his work... and life... have been in vain.  Rather, perhaps such ones will allow themselves to consider WHY Mr. Franz did what he did (i.e., he could not live a lie, but had to walk in the Light) and follow HIS faith by continuing to "look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, JAHESHUA", as well.  As it says of that One:

    "For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."

    It seems to me that Mr. Franz was not only a "hearer" of this truth about my Lord, but a "doer" in that he OPENLY followed the example and lived it himself to a great extent as well, for the hope of a similar reward, sitting on a throne in Christ's kingdom.  May the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, mercifully grant him such reward.  Even more, perhaps some who revere him will honor the memory of his life in the flesh by considering even further the benefit of living their OWN lives in line with the following:

    "Indeed, consider closely the one who has endured such contrary talk by sinners against their own interests, that YOU may not get tired and give out in YOUR souls."  Hebrews 12:2, 3

    Like Christ, Mr. Franz endured contrary talk, yet he did not get tired and give out in his soul.  Rather, he maintained his integrity and loyalty to... and love of... God and Christ... to the end of his life in the flesh.  Even at the cost of virtually everything.  May those who he helped to see that the WTBTS is NOT the truth... be able to so persevere.  May you, too, come to esteem the reproach of the Christ... and the sometimes "torturous" life that may come with it... for now... as riches greater than any treasures that connection to your life in the flesh could possibly provide you.  Technically and literally.  For truly what profits a man if he gains the entire world... but loses his spirit?  Mr. Franz has lost his flesh, which will soon return to the dust.  But he held on to his spirit... which will return to God.

    May the undeserved kindness and mercy of my God and Father, the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, and the love and peace of His Son and Christ, my Lord... and his... the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH... remain upon him... and upon his wife Cynthia... to time indefinite.

    Servant to the Household of God, Israel, those who go with... and the world... and a slave of Christ to time indefinite,

    SA, who asks all to consider the TRUTH that, while a WTBTS GB member can die and few know of it, even within the WTBTS, when a man like Mr. Franz dies... it is international news and sorrow...

     

     

     

     

    snowbird Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:04:00 GMT (6/3/2010) edit


    United States Alabama

    Post 16175 of 25315
    Since 5/2/2007

    Thank you so much, dear Shelby.  

    Girl, you got some mighty fine words in that there storehouse of yours! 

    They just leap off the page and pirouette around the floor. 

    Syl

    BabaYaga Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:07:00 GMT (6/3/2010) edit




    Post 4301 of 4714
    Since 8/30/2006

    AGuest said:

    ...while a WTBTS GB member can die and few know of it, even within the WTBTS, when a man like Mr. Franz dies... it is international news and sorrow...

    Hear, hear, Dear Shelby, hear, hear.


    not a captive Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:09:00 GMT (6/3/2010) edit




    Post 411 of 777
    Since 3/28/2010

    I'm so glad I stopped on this thread. It is comforting to hear what you say, Sylvia and Shelby. He did live as a

    Christian ought to. "By their fruits you will know them".           maeve

    snowbird Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:10:00 GMT (6/3/2010) edit


    United States Alabama

    Post 16182 of 25315
    Since 5/2/2007

    Thank you, Maeve. 

    Syl

    wantingtruth Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:52:00 GMT (6/3/2010) edit




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    Since 3/22/2009

    I am of a few words

    I trust in YHWH and His SON

    and I know His declaration is worthy to be believed :

    Psalm 116

     15.  Precious in the sight of the LORD
            Is the death of His godly ones.

     

    I don't  end my words here with  "rest in peace" , because I want him to rest as short as possible , and then ,

      to be raised in God's Kingdom  , with the purpose to  "Live in peace , forever ! "

    I know he/Ray  was  a man of peace

    Matt  5 :

    9.  "Blessed are the peacemakers , for they shall be called sons of God" . 

     

    I want he / Ray  to be my neighbor  there .

     

    wantingtruth


     

    Quandry Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:27:00 GMT (6/3/2010) edit


    United States Texas

    Post 3032 of 3886
    Since 5/17/2006

    Very nice, Snowbird.

    mentallyfree31 Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Fri, 04 Jun 2010 03:06:00 GMT (6/4/2010) edit




    Post 332 of 720
    Since 2/14/2010

    I enjoyed that Sylvia.  Very nice.

     

    -mentallyfree31-

    WTWizard Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Fri, 04 Jun 2010 05:01:00 GMT (6/4/2010) edit




    Post 10426 of 13388
    Since 5/10/2007

    Raymond Franz was the only Governing Body member I know that actually used the Bible itself to make decisions.  He tried to run the organization by the Bible and not by what the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger around him wanted.  He tried making various matters conscience matters when the Bible was silent in them.  He successfully made oral sex among married couples a conscience matter, down from a judicial offense.  And he was influencial in what few freedoms the witlesses had during the mid 1970s through around 1981, when the remaining members started cracking down.

    And, after choosing to leave his comfortable position in favor of the truth, he was kind enough to risk getting assassinated by those high up in the religion to write a book blowing the whistle on what really went on at the highest levels.  In doing so, he lost whatever chances he ever had of being reinstated.  But, as Jesus tried setting people free from the Mosaic Law and the Pharisees, Raymond Franz was bent on setting people free from the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger class.  Both while he was in the Governing Body and after he was booted out, he didn't quit trying to set people free from the cancer of a religion that he unsuccessfully tried fixing.

    No wonder the witlesses don't know much about him.  They are not told that his book Crisis of Conscience exposes what actually goes on at the top of this religion.  That is because the current Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger class do not want people to read his books, realize that this religion is not run by holy spirit, and leave the cancer.  And none of the humanoids currently at the top have the nerve to stand up for what is right--either they are wusses, actually seek the power and get kicks out of ruining lives, or both.  One thing about Raymond Franz:  He was not a wuss, and he did not get any kicks out of ruining people's lives.

    snowbird Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:39:00 GMT (6/4/2010) edit


    United States Alabama

    Post 16187 of 25315
    Since 5/2/2007

    Thanks, everyone!

    Someone was so impressed with my tribute that permission was asked to publish it. 

    I spoke from the heart.

    Syl

    rnicole76 Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:58:00 GMT (6/4/2010) edit




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    Since 5/25/2010

    the governing body just wants to continue maintaining their power and freeloading on the WBTS's expense. If the organization crumbles, these men are through.

    snowbird Re: In Remembrance of Raymond Victor Franz posted Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:48:00 GMT (6/5/2010) edit


    United States Alabama

    Post 16227 of 25315
    Since 5/2/2007

    bump for the weekend crew

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