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Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI

    besty Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:04:00 GMT (8/28/2009) edit


    United States California

    Post 2165 of 2859
    Since 3/3/2005

     

    << Part V

     

    Part VI – The Great Apostasy Sets In

     

    “If you ever leave the truth or get disfellowshipped that’ll be that – we’ll be finished.” I clearly recall my Mum laying it on the line. I was 14. As well as making her position clear it also had a powerful impact on me – impressionable children are particularly vulnerable to this sort of emotional manipulation, especially when parental authority is a factor. So I knew where I stood with regard to my family relationships 23 years later when I decided I would be exiting the Jehovah’s Witness religion. No matter – the die was cast and I was leaving. The Watchtower Society had lied to me about blood, about their history, about the date for the destruction of Jerusalem, about their relationship with the United Nations and about the fact that I would be living forever in paradise with a pet lion and as many oversized vegetables as I could eat. Oh ye – and did I mention I never really wanted to be a JW in the first place? I think I did alright putting up with the nonsense for the first half of my life. It was the halftime interval and I was changing sides for the second half.

    By this time I had read the cautionary tales on the Internet about how some brothers had revealed their desire to leave the JW’s to their true believer wife who promptly collects up the children and moves back home to the safe embrace of her JW parents. I never really believed Sam would react like this but I had to be sure of giving us the best odds of making it out together. What to do, what to do? I had been making Sam aware of my increasing lack of appetite for all things JW - if she hadn’t figured that out by this stage then God help her. She knew I was struggling to show any enthusiasm for the meetings (zero field service for a long time) and that was a drag on our relationship as I was miserable anytime a meeting was in prospect.

    22 month old Archie was getting to be a real handful at meetings and our second boy, Bertie, had just arrived so we were in the middle of a stressful time. Nothing like a Circuit Assembly to recharge your batteries stress you out even more. We worked hard to get all set to go but still ended up getting to the Assembly Hall an hour late. I was physically fighting with Archie to keep him restrained in his seat for just_one_talk in the main auditorium whilst Sam was out in one of the dining rooms feeding Bertie.  I knew then that this punishment would have to stop – I mean what exactly is a grown man doing dressed in a suit, shirt and tie on a Saturday morning anyway? Sam was tearful that day – the stress of a newborn baby that was facing a hernia op, the stress of an excitable 22 month toddler, the stress of being the perfect JW mum was adding up. So when we got home I executed Part 1 of what I expected to be a long term strategy.

    I had raised the issue of Jesus not being the Mediator for 99% of Jehovah’s Witnesses with Sam’s Mum. I had found the WTS literature with the offending quotes and asked for her opinion. She hadn’t got back to me yet and so I casually mentioned this to Sam after we got home from the Assembly. Sam was curious to know more about the Mediator issue – this is a basic Christian belief that Jesus is your Mediator. I wager that a large percentage of JW’s have not grasped that according to their own doctrine Jesus is not their Mediator. Sam didn’t believe me that the WTS taught this and asked where the quote was. I replied that as we didn’t have that particular piece of literature in our library I would have to show it to her online. She agreed to read the relevant page at jwfacts.com and I nervously hovered as she did so. Amazingly and to my immense relief she instantly grasped the logic of what the website was telling her. The Watchtower says Jesus is not your Mediator. The Bible says he is. It ended for Sam right there. A lifetime of indoctrination evaporated in less time than its taken me to describe what happened. And so she read a few more pages and understood the whole construct was built on sand. Sam joined JWN the following Tuesday and put our WTS library in the recycling. That Circuit Assembly had transpired to be our last ever meeting with Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    Just under a year previously my Dad had passed away after a short battle with terminal cancer. He bravely elected not to have treatment after being given the options and died with much dignity – I respected him immensely for the way he handled himself in the lead up to his death, aged 72. I have often asked myself if I would have left the JW’s if my Dad was still around – I don’t know the answer to that yet. I wish I could have had a closer relationship with both my parents, particularly my Dad, but the way the chips fell it hasn’t been possible. The challenge I accept with relish is to break the cycle with my boys – be the man I want them to become. Oh dear – poor sods, God bless them. (that last part is a quaint figure of speech – God probably doesn’t exist)

    I was starting to travel to the US on business more frequently at this point. Our company had been acquired by a much larger outfit and it seemed a good plan to expand from being European to being global. Another trip to Las Vegas for a 96 hour drinking bender trade show was looming for me and given that the news that we were stopping going to meetings was also bound to travel I felt obliged to call Scotland to tell my Mum that we weren’t going back. This was received very poorly indeed. I can’t recall all the details of that first call but Mum ended up in tears and Andrew, who happened to be there, came on the phone. Amongst other niceties he enquired if I knew that my marriage was going to break up, as that’s what happens when you leave Jehovah. Thanks Andrew - that was a lovely thing to say to someone who had a 6 week old baby. All that ‘training’ you have had as shepherd certainly paid off. Last time I checked I was still happily married – no doubt in your mind the collapse of our marriage is like Armageddon – widely predicted as coming ‘soon’. On this and a few subsequent calls my mother and brother both let me know exactly what they thought of me – weak, spineless, proud, arrogant, stubborn, lazy, had dragged Sam down to my level – the compliments were effusive. One particularly astounding comment was from my Mum - apparently me telling her I wasn't going back to the meetings was worse news than hearing her beloved husband of 50 years had terminal cancer. Anyone would think I was leaving a cult.

    That particular trip to Vegas was ill-timed for several reasons. One – we were leaving a high control group and Sam needed all my support. I had a long time to think things through whereas Sam was in an emotional mess. She had the toddler, the new baby and now she was coming to terms with losing some of her lifetime best friends. Secondly wee Bertie needed a minor operation, so whilst Sam was relieved at the blood issue being taken out of that equation, she still needed me there. Lastly, with a cooler head she probably wouldn’t have gone round to see a couple, who were amongst our closest friends, on the day they moved into their new house to tell them we were never going back to the meetings. Inevitably word got back to our elders from several sources that we were not going back. Let the games commence.

    Shortly after I returned to the UK Mum, Andrew and his wife came down to London for my cousin Jill's wedding. It was like nothing had happened – nobody mentioned anything and it was all sweetness and light. Sam and I had agreed we would not discuss anything controversial with them knowing it would lead to trouble. But, because our guard was down as they hadn’t raised the subject, we fell into our own trap and I launched into a lengthy description of all that was wrong in the wacky Watchtower wonderland. In hindsight I did myself an enormous favor as this conversation would ultimately prove sufficient to get me disfellowshipped.

    The Watchtower Society is a legalistic organization – that means they never saw a rule they didn’t like. A bit like the Pharisees, except with more of an eye for detail. So when our elders heard we weren’t coming back they instigated a well worn procedure  - after all you can’t just up and leave a high control group. In the first instance they attempted to conduct what is known as an initial inquiry. This is carried out when they suspect you may be guilty of something but don’t have all the evidence to prove it. In our case we were suspected of apostasy – defined as disagreeing with the Watchtower Society leadership. And so they sent two goons round to our house – we had agreed to see one of them and he brought a buddy – to ask some loyalty questions. Such as ‘are you attending another church’, ‘do you believe god is using the Watchtower Society?’, ‘when you read the bible do you use our translation?’ etc. Most tedious. But the wrong answer will see you disfellowshipped, and we didn’t want to be disfellowshipped. Despite the mean spirit shown to me by my family, for the sake of the two grandchildren I wanted to retain a civil relationship, even though the elephant in the room would be a permanent addition to the group photos. And so we bobbed and weaved and obfuscated our way successfully past the loyalty test – the goons left and we cracked a bottle of red. I say successfully as it all went quiet for a few months. I did receive a lengthy rebuttal of the points I’d raised to Andrew. He naively reiterated the all too familiar Watchtower beliefs as if somehow that would help me see the error of my ways. I’m not sure why he thought that was a clever strategy – if in doubt repeat Watchtower dogma, maybe. I replied back thanking him for taking the time and that as far as I was concerned the matter was closed. (I could have logically destroyed the content of his rebuttal email line by line but that was not a viable tactic towards the goal of keeping the communication open)

    Just before we went to bed one night Sam’s mobile rang. It was the former PO (Presiding Overseer) who had been removed as an elder but now reappointed and leading the charge for information on us. He called at 10.30pm that first time, wondering if we would be willing to meet with them as they wanted our side of the story. What story? We had been gone for several months and the informal shunning had commenced – former friends who regularly would stop by the house or call just disappeared off the face of the earth. Complete radio silence. I called him back and fobbed him off. He called again and again and again, usually late at night and always with someone on the line with him. It felt like harassment.

    I should have known something was up when I asked my Mum if she was shunning us too. Andrew had already made it clear he was having nothing to do with us. She replied “I will know what to do when your congregation makes an announcement”. This surprised me – the announcement she referred to could only be the disfellowship announcement, but as far as I was aware no judicial action was in progress. Wrong – it was in progress. And she knew it. But still – my mother would keep a nominal relationship active with me until a stranger 400 miles away would announce that I was no longer a Jehovah’s Witness, meaning she could not speak to me for the rest of my natural life, without feeling guilty about doing so. Medieval – but I felt her pain – she was losing her son, her daughter-in-law and her two only grandchildren. Her decision though, or was it? Difficult to say with cultic groups who is making what decisions – if the boys in Brooklyn ever decide that shunning is a cruel and unusual barbarism in breach of several parts of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and that splits up families and makes them look like a cult, would my Mum start speaking to me again? And if so where is her conscience today? Hmmmm.

    In any case the urgency and frequency of the calls from this elder were increasing and eventually he invited us to any or all of 3 dates for a Judicial Committee hearing. We declined to attend as it held no meaning for us. But curiosity got the better of me - I wanted to know what evidence they had ‘on’ me and who the witnesses to my sin were.  Imagine my surprise when I was told one of the witnesses was my brother Andrew, and that he had made a special trip to London to accuse me face to face at one of the previous JC evenings which I was not present at. He had made a 1000 mile round trip to accuse me face to face of disagreeing with the boys in Brooklyn and yet didn’t have the decency to travel an extra half mile to knock our door and say hello to me and his two only nephews – just babies really. At this point if you believe in Jesus ask yourself what would he have done. Would Jesus be shunning babies, Andrew?

    And so were disfellowshipped within a few weeks. No big deal as anyone that mattered to us had already decided we were dangerous and were shunning us. We knew the rules and how it would play out. That was over two years ago now and a lot has happened since then. I’ll save that for the final part of my story.

     

    Part VII – Not The End Or The Beginning (will post it when I write it)


     

    freddo Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:12:00 GMT (8/28/2009) edit




    Post 27 of 103
    Since 5/13/2009

    "... even though the elephant in the room would be a permanent addition to the group photos."

    Glad I wasn't drinking coffee when I read that!

    Brilliant stuff about a serious subject - please continue.

    Hopscotch Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:32:00 GMT (8/28/2009) edit




    Post 161 of 384
    Since 3/9/2009

    Love reading your story so far Besty.  Many similarities with my husband and myself and our leaving the WTS.

     

    Can't wait to read the grand finale.

     

    Hopscotch

    jookbeard Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:43:00 GMT (8/28/2009) edit


    United Kingdom England, Surrey

    Post 439 of 1611
    Since 1/28/2008

    very interesting, staggering behaviour from your own brother, and they have the audacity to call themselves shepherds?

    ninja Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:01:00 GMT (8/28/2009) edit


    United Kingdom Scotland, Glasgow

    Post 5083 of 5695
    Since 10/5/2006

    even if my wife found out it was built on sand.....she would say...."so were the pyramids"....she is that brainwashed.....he he

    great storytelling besty.....you should write a book.....

    ......regards to the family

     

            da ninja

    SuspiciousMinds Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:37:00 GMT (8/28/2009) edit




    Post 61 of 74
    Since 3/9/2009

    besty,

    Great story!  My wife and I have really enjoyed each part of your life story so far and we are looking forward to Part VII.  Your story has some similarities to ours except we don't have any kids yet.  Our DF/DA announcement will come any day now I'm sure, as we've sent our letter that lists all the Watchtower doctrine we disagree with.

    Andrew seems like a real prize.  Actually, the brother of the prodigal son at this year's drama (our last WT meeting) acted in a very similar manner.

    homeschool Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:08:00 GMT (8/28/2009) edit




    Post 410 of 524
    Since 3/12/2009

    I respected him immensely for the way he handled himself in the lead up to his death, aged 72. I have often asked myself if I would have left the JW’s if my Dad was still around – I don’t know the answer to that yet. I wish I could have had a closer relationship with both my parents, particularly my Dad, but the way the chips fell it hasn’t been possible. The challenge I accept with relish is to break the cycle with my boys – be the man I want them to become. Oh dear – poor sods, God bless them. (that last part is a quaint figure of speech – God probably doesn’t exist)         This struck me a bit close to my heart...my father is 72 & I feel very similar. Even with all the challenges, I believe you are being a great father to those boys

     

    It was like nothing had happened – nobody mentioned anything and it was all sweetness and light....this is unfortunately something all too common within the jw's.

    my mother would keep a nominal relationship active with me until a stranger 400 miles away would announce that I was no longer a Jehovah’s Witness, meaning she could not speak to me for the rest of my natural life, without feeling guilty about doing so.....

    you sure she doesn't feel guilty?

    You & your wife inspire me..thanks for sharing your story

    leavingwt Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:05:00 GMT (8/28/2009) edit


    United States Mississippi

    Post 3856 of 5876
    Since 6/16/2008

    My younger brother once shunned my babies. It's a small world, isn't it?

     

    I just hope he has his eyes opened, one day. The events that led up to my awakening were random. Perhaps he'll have a breakthrough, too.

     

    Besty, I hope your family wakes up.

    PSacramento Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:20:00 GMT (8/28/2009) edit




    Post 798 of 2944
    Since 6/22/2009

    Stories like this truly break my heart, especialy since, today of all days, I read 1John, a letter devoted to telling how loving God and Jesus are and that unles you have love in your heart, you can't love God and Jesus.

    Jesus told us to love those who don't love us, to love those that it is hard to love, our enemys even, for if we love only those that love us, what good is that?

    It's sad that the WT, that the JW's and that your family don't understand that their lack of love is a wall between them and God and Jesus.

    And make no mistakes about it, shunning/disfellowshiping is NOT an act of Love and what is NOT an act of Love is NOT an act of God or an act pleasing to God.

    Period.

     

     

    willyloman Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:15:00 GMT (8/28/2009) edit


    United States California

    Post 3535 of 3677
    Since 6/19/2003

    "...if in doubt repeat Watchtower dogma..."

    They really do believe that!

    Got an email from an elder I hadn't seen in 15 years, who was instrumental in our coming "into the truth" back in the 70's. He came on as though he had just discovered my email addy and wanted to catch up on how we were all doing. I told him we were fine and threw in this line: "You probably know we have stopped going to meetings." His response: "No, I didn't. What happened?"

    I sent him a response and told him we had elected not to talk about "why" but not to worry about us, we were happy and life was good.

    I didn't hear from him for several days, and then got an email. Nothing on it, no personal note or anything, just a scan of a chart someone had made showing the increased frequency of earthquakes in "our day." (!)

    At that point I had the same thought you did when you heard from your brother:  When dubs are in doubt as to what to say, they just repeat the dogma. My other thought was that he was using "old" dogma. The WT tossed that argument aside some years ago, agreeing with scientists that there aren't necessarily more earthquakes now than ever before, but arguing that it doesn't make any difference in terms of the "prophecy."

    So their stock in trade tool ("repeat dogma") doesn't even have to be accurate!

    I didn't reply further. I am sure to this day he is convinced that he really socked it to me.

    besty Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:27:00 GMT (8/28/2009) edit


    United States California

    Post 2170 of 2859
    Since 3/3/2005

     

    true indeed willyloman - here's my brothers email socking it to me:

     

     
    I have thought about the subjects we discussed last week and wanted to provide answers to the points you raised.  As this is the most important letter I have ever written, I hope you will consider its contents very carefully.
     
    Did Job’s family celebrate birthdays – Job 1:4?

    A few translations use the word ‘birthday’ but most that I checked used the word ‘day’.  Why the difference?  The Hebrew word for day is ‘yohm’ and birth is ‘hulledheth’.  However, only ‘yohm’ appears at Job 1:4 whereas ‘yohm’ and ‘hulledheth’ appear at Genesis 40:20 where the pagan Pharaoh celebrated his birthday.  As mentioned, secular reference works confirm that the Jews and early Christians did not celebrate birthdays.
     
    People just need to ‘believe in the Lord Jesus and be saved’ – you said there was no need to worship with a Christian congregation.

    While Scripture does highlight the importance of belief in Jesus to be saved, it also clearly indicates that it is vital to meet and worship with the Christian congregation to remain spiritually strong.  Numerous Scriptures highlight the importance of the Christian congregation – most of Paul’s letters were to Christian congregations and Jesus wrote to the seven congregations in Revelation chapters 2 and 3. Scriptural qualifications are set out for men to serve as elders and ministerial servants to help take care of the spiritual needs of congregation members.  We benefit by accepting their Scripturally based direction – see Hebrews 13:7, 17.  Also, congregations need to be organised to accomplish the global preaching work – Jesus’ main command to Christians and our principal activity.
     
    You said Jehovah can deal with individuals in isolation from an organised group of his people – you quoted the example of Job.

    Job lived in a distant land prior to Jehovah establishing his covenant relationship with the nation of Israel.  He was without doubt a worshipper of Jehovah as Satan testified to.  However, once the nation of Israel was established, individuals wishing to serve Jehovah did so as proselytes and alien residents in association with Jehovah’s people.  You are not in a similar situation as Job – spiritual food is readily available in congregations of Jehovah’s people.  You don’t need to go it alone, in fact in the times we are living, isolating yourself in this manner is positively dangerous – see Proverbs 18:1;    
     
    You said many children have died due to their parents refusing blood transfusions.

    Remember the command not to take blood dates back to Noah’s time, was in the Mosaic Law and subsequently reiterated to the Christian congregation.  I personally know of no baby who has died due to not having a blood transfusion.  Bloodless surgery is now viewed by many clinicians as the gold standard for surgery.  It requires faith to do what God commands and there is a very large reward for keeping Jehovah’s laws.  In cases of trauma due to serious loss of blood, alternative non-blood medical management with safe transfusions operates very effectively.
     
    You said that 99% of Jehovah’s Witnesses do not think for themselves.

    Individuals dedicating their life to Jehovah and being baptised as Jehovah’s Witnesses have usually made a careful study of God’s Word.  They have thought things through for themselves, seen the alternatives this world has to offer and are pleased to join themselves with Jehovah’s Witnesses.  We are positively encouraged to check our beliefs against the Scriptures and to keep “building up yourselves on your most holy faith and praying with holy spirit, keep yourselves in God’s love” (Jude 20, 21).   
     
    You said that secular sources date the destruction of Jerusalem some years after 607 BCE.

    The date 607 BCE for the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians is arrived at from within Scripture itself.  That the exiled Jews would spend 70 years in Babylon was prophesied in many places – 2 Chronicles 36:21; Jeremiah 25:11; Jeremiah 29:10; Daniel 9:2. 539 BCE is a pivotal date – both Scriptural chronology and secular history point to 539 BCE as the date for the fall of Babylon.  Scripture then shows that the Jews returned to Judea in 537 BCE.  We give primacy to the scriptures that the exile was 70 years, thus the destruction of Jerusalem must have been in 607 BCE.  So, when deciding when we think Jerusalem was destroyed, we can either accept the Scriptural chronology (with 1914 following from this evidenced by dramatic and irrevocable change in the world situation i.e. “the last days”) or go with uncertain secular sources of evidence which are often subject to change, revision and new archaeological discoveries. The Scriptures will never change that the exile would be 70 years and everyone agrees with 539 BCE for the fall of Babylon, and 537 BCE as the date of the return from exile.   
     
    You said our organisation is “obsessed with dates”.

    Whilst some in the past had unfulfilled expectations, the Scriptures are clear that we cannot know the date of Armageddon.  However, Christian watchfulness is very much encouraged.  When we dedicate our lives to Jehovah it is not with a date in mind but as the prophet Micah said, “For all the peoples, for their part, will walk each one in the name of its god; but we, for our part, shall walk in the name of Jehovah our God to time indefinite, even forever” (Micah 4:5).  In 40 years of attending Christian meetings, I have never heard the date of Armageddon being given, so I would suggest that it is the enemies and opposers of Jehovah’s people who are “obsessed with dates”.
     
    You said that as the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ has adjusted its understanding of some Scriptural truths, it is acting as a false prophet.

    The faithful slave and its Governing Body do not claim to be inspired, infallible, or made up of perfect individuals.  However, Jesus’ appointment of them and assigning them care of the Christian congregation and the preaching work indicates his trust and confidence in them (similar to his trust in the apostles even though being human they erred at times).  No other group on earth could claim to be carrying out the divine will by trying to closely adhere to the apostolic pattern of congregation organisation and ministry.  The Scriptures show that we should focus on the fruitage of individual Christians and the Christian congregation.  Whilst some may ridicule us, the words of Gamaliel about the first century Christian congregation apply to them: “Do not meddle with these men, but let them alone; (because if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; but if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them;) otherwise, you may perhaps be found fighters actually against God” (Acts 5:38, 39).  This is so true, apostates and critics have made many charges against Jehovah’s people, but they give no evidence of “who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” and whilst they may criticise, just as Gamaliel predicted, it makes no difference to our ministry as we continue to go from strength to strength in fulfilment of Matthew 24:14; Matthew 28:18-20 and Acts 1:8.   
     
    Below is a paragraph from a recent Revelation Climax study – page 45.  Can you identify who is being described?

    “How does sectarianism get started? Perhaps a self-styled teacher sows doubts, disputing some Bible truth (such as our being in the last days), and so a splinter group breaks off and follows him. (2 Timothy 3:1; 2 Peter 3:3, 4) Or someone criticizes the way Jehovah is having his work done and appeals to a self-sparing spirit by claiming that it is neither Scriptural nor necessary to go from house to house with the Kingdom message. Sharing in such service after the example of Jesus and his apostles would keep these ones humble; yet, they prefer to split off and take it easy, perhaps only reading the Bible occasionally as a private group. (Matthew 10:7, 11-13; Acts 5:42; 20:20, 21) Such ones concoct their own ideas about the Memorial of Jesus’ death, the Scriptural command to abstain from blood, celebration of holidays, and the use of tobacco. Moreover, they downgrade Jehovah’s name; very soon they fall right back into the permissive ways of Babylon the Great. Even worse, some are moved by Satan to turn upon and ‘beat their fellow slaves,’ their onetime brothers.—Matthew 24:49; Acts 15:29; Revelation 17:5.”
     
    The progress such ones make is described at 2 Timothy 2:16, 17: “But shun empty speeches that violate what is holy; for they will advance to more and more ungodliness, and their word will spread like gangrene.”  How sad when the only progress individuals are making is a systematic rejection of more and more Scriptural beliefs and replacing these with “the wisdom of the world which is foolishness with God” or with the God-dishonouring falsehoods which have been pedalled by Babylon the Great for thousands of years. Thus, a desire for “independent thought” leads people to imitate the world outside the Christian congregation – the counsel at 1 John 2:15-17; 1 John 5:19 and James 4:4 applies.
     
    I am pleased that you said you will meet with the congregation elders and I hope that as you freely express your views, doubts and concerns to them, they may be able to assist you to regain spiritual health and “the joy of Jehovah which is our stronghold” (Nehemiah 8:10).  Jehovah is holding out a very precious gift to you and your family – a happy life now and an everlasting future

    and my reply, which went unanswered as far as I can recall:


    Thanks for your obvious concern and the time you have spent looking into the points we raised.  We only raised those points with you because, perhaps mistakenly, we felt obligated to let the family know what our doubts were. It is not our intention to pursue this any further with you or with the local elders. Rather we would prefer if religious belief is a subject not up for discussion with us as it is clearly too painful on all sides. I spoke to Mum on the phone last night and once again was the object of a variety of hurtful character descriptions. In all of this I have never personally criticized you or Mum or Dad, nor expressed bitterness about my upbringing or time spent whilst a Jehovah's Witness - simply that right now I will not be going to meetings for conscientious reasons. Jehovahs Witnesses fought numerous court cases to establish religious freedom, yet organizationally and personally they seem unwilling to extend religious freedom ie without penalties  - to members wishing to leave. 

    In any case, we unconditionally love you all and want to stay in contact with you so we can all enjoy the boys growing up together.

     

    Like I said in my story I could have deconstructed his email line by line, but I had lost interest in doing that and didn't feel it would accomplish anything. I don't need to be right. He evidently did though. And that was that pretty much. One terse email with some essential family business and a repeat of the request for emergency contact only.

    And the world turns one more day.


     

    truthseeker Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:59:00 GMT (8/28/2009) edit




    Post 2075 of 2187
    Since 3/1/2003

    Wow - what a story. I can't believe your brother could turn you in like that without any notice.

    I hope the day comes when he too leaves the religion - he will owe you a big apology

    jamiebowers Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:14:00 GMT (8/28/2009) edit


    United States Ohio

    Post 2334 of 3214
    Since 1/27/2007

    "If you ever leave the truth or get disfellowshipped that'll be that - we'll be finished." I clearly recall my Mum laying it on the line. I was 14. As well as making her position clear it also had a powerful impact on me - impressionable children are particularly vulnerable to this sort of emotional manipulation, especially when parental authority is a factor.

    You must know as a parent just how heartbreaking and shocking that statement is.  Although I'd been shunned by my mom for years before I became a stepmom, I didn't realize just how evil that practice was until I had children in my care.  Although they aren't my biological children, a bond was formed, and I can't imagine anything that they could do to turn me away from them.  They're grown and out on their own now.  And, yes, they've made decisions with which I don't agree and for which they're paying the price.  But I haven't stopped loving or helping them. 

    Please check your pm's.

    PSacramento Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:18:00 GMT (8/28/2009) edit




    Post 829 of 2944
    Since 6/22/2009

    Betsy,

    He is incorrect in regards to many of those things he mentioned to you on that email "socking it to you".

     

    OUTLAW Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:55:00 GMT (8/28/2009) edit


    Canada British Columbia

    Post 12798 of 14834
    Since 10/11/2001

    Great installment Besty..

                                          Good JW parents are always willing to sacrifice their children to the Watchtower Idol..

                                                                                                                                                                            ...............OUTLAW

    Spike Tassel Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Sat, 29 Aug 2009 03:51:00 GMT (8/29/2009) edit




    Post 1989 of 2092
    Since 6/16/2009

    You and your brother both write very well.  Very fluent.

    besty Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:30:00 GMT (8/29/2009) edit


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    Post 2172 of 2859
    Since 3/3/2005

    thanks Spike - we both read a lot as well - correlation is not causation of course ;-)

    Spike Tassel Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:52:00 GMT (8/29/2009) edit




    Post 1992 of 2092
    Since 6/16/2009

    same parents, etc. might help

    dozy Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:29:00 GMT (8/29/2009) edit


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    Post 505 of 609
    Since 2/18/2006

    "One particularly astounding comment was from my Mum - apparently me telling her I wasn't going back to the meetings was worse news than hearing her beloved husband of 50 years had terminal cancer. "

    Had a tear in my eye when I read this. What on earth can you say to that?  The tentacles of control go deep into people's souls.

    besty Re: Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VI posted Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:43:00 GMT (8/29/2009) edit


    United States California

    Post 2173 of 2859
    Since 3/3/2005

    weird thing to say wasn't it? I guess it is the 'you'd be better of dying in a car crash now, at least then you'll get a resurrection' mentality

    My Dad will get a resurrection - we get eternal death

    My Mum genuinely believes that Jesus is going to destroy us (and 6.5 billion others) any day now - like really soon. She recently texted my FIL to see if he had any ideas on how to save us from imminent destruction. 

    "Some cults teach that you and your children will have an untimely death if you leave the group."


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