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    M BluesBrother posted Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:55:00 GMT(10/16/2004)

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    I guess a sign that is known to be backed up by legal recourse is the only way of maintaining privacy. After all, I guess that we can all remember inadvertandly calling at a "Do not call" house. Either because the group leader had failed to tell you, or one simply forgot while in conversation with your partner

    M Simon posted Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:56:00 GMT(10/16/2004)

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    Due the "open door" policy of this forum, I guess trolls are something that we have to tolerate, something akin to flies crapping on your food at a picnic. But there *are* pop-up blockers and spam blockers. I wonder if Simon could install a TROLL FILTER. That would be cool, although probably unworkable from a practical point of view. Alas!

    Yes, you are right. I have deleted you.

    brother devoted posted Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:31:00 GMT(10/16/2004)

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    that has hppened to me so I immedietly tell the bro. and it is coreected.

    brother devoted posted Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:35:00 GMT(10/16/2004)

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    True ideed and I respect those signs believe me I do, but my point in starting the thread is that I see a trend of avoiding conversation with people. in other areas this can be true also such as If I go out right now and ask someone who are they going to vote for the response is they don't want to say, why? if I am proud of something I will speak it with pride.

    Peace,
    Brother devoted

    brother devoted posted Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:45:00 GMT(10/16/2004)

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    that in which you spoke of on the script part happened to me when I was younger so I will not deny the truth of it. but I am open to diologue of all kinds. to prove my point I use to hold conversations with a person that thought he was God (not he himself alone, its on some mystical belief system)

    you sayed "I have checked all of Brother Devoted's threads. There are twelve of them, so this was not hard. Brother Devoted has not revisited a single thread to respond to questions in kind."

    thats not true I have responded to some and still intend to respond to others (I research and meditate on them, it takes time)II prticlarly though much about the "holy spirit" thread

    Peace,
    Brother devoted

    F jgnat posted Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:47:00 GMT(10/16/2004)

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    The trouble with good dialogue in the JW world is that both participants must be willing to re-examine cherished beliefs. If you are not confident enough in what you believe to allow it to be assaulted with reason, then how fragile is your faith, really? In the past three years I have tried, really TRIED to engage a Jehovah's Witness in a meanigful dialogue. On the internet, at the door, in daily conversation, after the meeting, and through a study.

    I am still waiting.

    BD, out of twelve threads, you only revisited one. In that one, you only posed questions. You did not address comments from other posters. On the other hand, I am most impressed that you have revisited this thread three times now. A record!

    By the way, I don't think I am a god. So that particular dialogue won't be required.

    brother devoted posted Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:54:00 GMT(10/16/2004)

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    peace newsense

    in response to what you wrote "Do you have ANY godamn idea what would happen if you were to ever dare to engage one of the elders in a "dialogue" by expressing an opinion "

    I have questioned them many times, even though I grew up in a JW household here has been my influence growing up:

    Nation of Islam
    5% nation
    Rastafarianism

    and still I am a wll rounded JW today so I have Had much dialogue and continue to welcome it

    Peace,
    Brother devoted

    F Country Girl posted Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:05:00 GMT(10/16/2004)

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    Freedom of speech encompasses, also, freedom of press. Words, whether spoken, or printed on a sign, are speech, and are meant to convey meaning. "No Trespassing" means just what it says it means. Unless it says, in fine print at the bottom: "Exceptions: Avon ladies, men in thongs, Greeks bearing gifts of gold and diamonds, Ed McMahon and crew, and Motley Crew."

    So, when you see a sign like that, you and your car group just move on along.

    Rural Territory Girl

    F BrendaCloutier posted Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:19:00 GMT(10/16/2004)

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    Devoted:

    Since I was on your side for a while, I understand where you are coming from. However, private property does not fall under the freedom of speech/religion act. A "no trespassing" sign is the owner's voice to be left alone and in peace, for whatever the reason or need, and you're violating their rights by ignoring it.

    Let's try putting the right shoe on the left foot here - a couple questions (brought up in other ways already):

    How do you feel about politicians and political activists knocking on your door, especially when you're right in the middle of dinner, or dinner prayer, or getting ready for a meeting? Or an activist trying to get you to sign a petition, or even to sign up to vote (heaven forbid!) ?

    How do you feel about a door-to-door salesperson (rare these days) coming up to your house?

    I know you'd love to have a couple of nice mormon boys stop by, so i won't bother with this question.

    Then there are the sales calls and computerized sales calls every evening right about dinnertime, prayer time, evening news time, time to leave for meeting. How do you like these interruptions?

    How do you feel about having your privacy and your home comforts disturbed, especially by someone selling or preaching something you are absolutely not interested in? Especially if you've "been there, done that, never again"?

    How about when you're home really sick with the flu, or have a broken leg, or worse yet, are disabled to the point where mobilization is painful and difficult? Ya wanna have that "no treaspassing" sign ignored then?

    Ok, you can take your "right" shoe off of your left foot and put it back on the correct foot again.

    Brenda

    F kls posted Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:48:00 GMT(10/16/2004)

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    Country Girl,,,,,,,LOL ,,,,,Where can i but one ?

    M Stephanus posted Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:10:00 GMT(10/17/2004)

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    I thought we were in America where we have freedom of speech, I have the freedom to approach my nieghbor oin conversation and he has the right to either continue the discussion or say "not interested"

    Fine! Just give us your address, "Neighbour", and we'll pop by so we can "initiate dialogue" with you. Apparently it is our right under "freedom of speech", according to you.

    I have questioned them many times

    Oh I see. What sort of questions? The hard "Why did we sleep with the UN whore?";"Why do we apply the two witness rule in child rape cases?" type of question? Or the namby-pamby, suck-up "Can you give me more insight into today's wonderful study article on why it is important for us to delegate all our thoughts and moral decisions to the wonderful elders, empowered by wonderful holy spirit, courtesy of wonderful Bethel?" type?

    F CeriseRose posted Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:11:00 GMT(10/17/2004)

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    You said:

    "I have read the topic "No trespassing..." and can't keep frm asking "Are you afraid of dialogue?""


    Why is your assumption that the person involved, who is requesting to be left alone in the privacy of their own home, is AFRAID?

    The implication is that they're either a) afraid to have their eyes opened to the real truth(TM)*, b) afraid that they won't be able to stand up to the well-thought-out arguments of the JWs standing at their door *rolls eyes* or c) afraid and so socially inept that they are unable to communicate with their fellow man, and so must put a sign out to discourage every zombie with a purpose and two legs from lurking on their doorstep at any hour of the day or night (and I left zombie open to mean anyone, not just JWs...I'm an equal opportunity name-caller. ;) )

    Aside from the excellent comments about what dialogue really is versus the "presentation" of the average JW, I wanted to reiterate what one poster said about "not interested." Have a look in your Reasoning from the Scriptures book. The area I'm talking about is at the front, right after the conversation topics/ideas. What are those again?

    Oh yes, How to Respond to Potential Conversation Stoppers. Pages of notes on how to defer and deflect anything the householder(TM) says so you can gain more than 30 seconds of time on their doorstep. Remember what you've been taught; we were all taught similiarly: "Those who say they're not interested don't even know what they're not interested in! It's our duty(TM) and privilege(TM) to deliver this message of good news." And then comes the reading of the blood-guilt scripture that reinforces the guilt of not doing so.

    Afraid or fed up with the tactics of the hard sell? You be the judge. Or rather, no, you shouldn't. Let God be the judge.


    *(TM) shamelessly stolen from Scully, although I can't get mine to look cute like hers. :)

    a friend in need posted Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:46:00 GMT(10/24/2004)

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    jgnat:

    Are you saying that in the last three years your own JW husband will not have a meaningful discussion with you about his JW beliefs? Any JWs I've ever encountered would love to discuss their beliefs.

    afin

    gypsywildone posted Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:03:00 GMT(10/24/2004)

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    I can't believe they will respect No Trespassing signs. A few years ago, my husband called the KH on a Sunday am & requested to speak to an elder. He instructed said "elder" to remove us from their little maps, etc. & never dare come up our driveway again. It is a long, winding driveway up the side of a mountain.

    Guess what? About a year later, they came up again! Mind you, my driveway is lined with "No Trespassing", "Get our of Get Bit", "Mean f*&^%$# guard dogs', as well as a 6 ft. plastic skeleton hanging from a tree. Well, he only ever actually met one JW in his whole life, my mother & he was NOT impressed with her. What got him so mad, other than his beautiful woods being invaded by strangers (other than Trick or Treaters, which are always welcome), was theat an SUV with 4 adults in it said they did not see any signs! He told them either they all had such poor eyesight, none of them should be driving, or they are ARROGANT, & believe the "posted" signs, etc. do not apply to them. he kicked them back down the driveway, which was dirt at the time.

    I told him if he had reached into my vehicle & pulled out a C of C book, it might have helped them more. He said he didn't care, it helped HIM. He said they invaded his airspace, & if China could shoot down a US plane for such an infraction, he could kick them out. He said they are way too invaisive & arrogant, & they just don't listen.

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